The Canada Convoy

Not sure if parody or real

Illegally obstructing traffic and blocking roads is perfectly fine according to a handful of people here didn't you know. Once you are a protester it suddenly makes it okay.

Anyway it's not like people are being murdered, so against that bar, it's "fine". And someone once saw a protest blocking one road here, so can't argue with that.

Give me a break.

This isn't about freedom, it is about privilege, plain and simple. How can a bunch of people, driving around in 50,000 dollar GMC trucks, or Ford F150s say they don't have freedom, while they sip from their starbucks cup or Tim Hortans? Nothing but a bunch of entitle rednecks pissed off that they have lost some of that privilege.

It works me up so much when you see how badly the first nations and indigenous are and have been treat compared to this. They are treated far more aggressively than these truckers ever were, they don't even have the opportunity to get a bank loan to buy some of the vehicles that are in this protest at all.

So, before you start barking on about freedom, it has never been about that. This convoy has backers that are known associates to right wing and Christian groups in Alberta and America. The freedom thing is a clever marketing ploy to get the numbers up.

Well clearly you know more than I do, right?

The trucker convoy is a minority, even 90% of truckers are vaccinated. No one likes the restrictions, but hate to break it to you, but we are still in a pandemic. Most of the population are going along with their lives as normal as can be, the loud truckers speak for a minority in that they make the most noise and put the weirdest crap on the their cars like "open up Canada" when it is very open, you can travel and do things, but there are procedures in place, and they are there for safety reasons.

You can use the "what if" stuff all you want, but how about IF that happens then I will talk about it, keep the hypotheticals, thanks. No one is restricted from doing anything in Canada, as long as they follow the rules.

Don't like showing a vaccine passport? Then stay home and order food. Don't like having to take a PCR to travel? Then don't travel.

You already need a drivers licence to drive, a passport to travel and guess what in some cases you need a vaccine, for children to get into daycare in Canada for example.

My reference to the treatment of indigenous shows the complete lack of understanding of what freedom is in Canada, especially to the truckers who think they have no freedom, when it is just their lack of privilege that is on hold currently. No one has said it will be forever either, but they rant and rave like it will be, such an informed position. Indigenous continue to be oppressed here in Canada, through taking land or building pipelines on it. If that was happening to the truckers, then they can say their freedoms are being hit. Until then, they can go get in their thousands of dollars trucks are drive around. Thankfully it was a very small amount of them here in Vancouver at the weekend, so again, a very vocal minority, kicking and screaming.

That sounds pretty delusional, restrictions are being lifted everywhere - but not because some loonies are honking their horns on the street. But at least they can now pretend they "won" and fought for "freedom" and had the "backing of the people".

There is nothing I can see in the Charter that the current restrictions go against. So there is a big "what if" on your part because you are picking things out of the sky there. The right to peaceful protest? Nothing about what the truckers are doing is peaceful, it is belligerent and loud, that is why a judge had to tell them to stop due to the noise pollution it was creating, imagine living near that for a brief second there.

Truckers can complain all they want, but it again has nothing to do with freedom, it is their privilege that is hurt, so they can cry me a river. I am not talking about the big trucks that they are using to block the roads (although they again cost a fortune, some lack of freedom there).

I have no ill feelings to the truckers at all, in general I find this cohort of society and the bangwagoners it brings along with them very stupid in general. They have no real evidence or reason for what they protest again, it is just something they can all sing along to. They are not protecting anything other than their own privilege (I am saying this a lot so you can follow along).

None, I repeat NONE, of their fundamental rights are being infringed upon, and just so you aware of what they are: freedom of conscience and religion; freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; freedom of peaceful assembly; and freedom of association.

You tell me how they are being infringed upon, please.

"Vaccination at TFI is not an issue at all," he told analysts on a conference call Tuesday.

"We have a few drivers that still say no, but what we do with them is we just keep them in Canada," he said. It's a strategy adopted by several large transport outfits but less available to smaller ones."

...that lack of freedom, god bless their souls.

Support the truckers 100%.

Trudy is toast. He is a useless “leader” who has hid from everything. Nothing wrong with peaceful protest, yet political class runs from ordinary Canadians protesting in a peaceful and supported manner? Says it all really!

Peaceful isn't holding down truck horns 24/7.

Brand is frighteningly good at unpacking an issue

As far as I know Canada is still rather restrictive regarding flying into the country. One PCR test, not older than 74 or 72 hours? and then another test upon arrival. Endless queues due to testing requirements at Pearson airport upon arrival, making the risk of infection even higher.

Also then there were issues that they mandated that everyone stays in an overpriced accomodation ( something like $2000 or $3000) for 3 days regardless which country they came from, and wait for test results,- but that has been abolished. But still this is history now, but it made one feel as being a "Persona non Grata" as a Canadian citizen in my own country, also the mandatory hotel stay would have been legally in contravention with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Home isolation and home quarantine yes, but the Charter of Rights and Freedoms can't dictate where this is going to be for a returning citizen.

The travel restrictions were and are still very unrealistic. The Canadian government should give the freedom back to those who are tripple vaccinated, without any extra forms to fill out, ArriveCan-Apps or tests. Even the UK handled this matter better and lifted restrictions sooner.

But again, that's mostly gone now, it's history, and it certainly doesn't justify what the truckers are doing.

I believe that the unvaccinated truckers are very much a small minority, and also these kind of convoys are also the work of some organization close to Donald Trump, QAnon and other conspiracy theory friends and Nazi-Style flags also should have no place in Canada.

Ultimately, I think Trudeau should bring in the military to have these convoys removed. They are hurting Canada and Canada's economy.

Okay, a third of the country support them, meaning two-thirds don't. That's a majority.

It's not a breach of rights, that's BS, Canada has had vaccine requirements before, during Smallpox, and then early in the 20th century, e.g. Toronto medical school, all students had to be vaccinated. In the 70's, many Canadian provinces had mandatory vaccination programs.

What next, would you support that surgeons block roads because they don't want to wear masks during surgery? pilots block airports because don't want to take the mandatory medical?

This rights stuff is complete nonsense, it's a pandemic, we have had vaccine requirements all over the world. We've had vaccine requirements for decades (e.g. Yellow Fever).

What I can gather from Peckfrod is that I have a much better grasp of science than he does, that isn't hard when he spouts rubbish of experimental vaccines and so forth, the words of an imbecile.

As I have said, and pointed out to you a few times, nothing in the charter is being infringed upon. Canada has rules, regardless of vaccination or otherwise. Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. and then its followed up by The rights specified in subsection (2) are subject to any laws or practices of general application in force in a province other than those that discriminate among persons primarily on the basis of province of present or previous residence; and any laws providing for reasonable residency requirements as a qualification for the receipt of publicly provided social services.

Glad I could help you understand things better though, you didn't want to read the charter so there are the highlights for you now. Peckford is free to say what he wants, I am free to call him an idiot for what he is saying, because it is not based in the real world.

Take care.

Ultimately, I think Trudeau should bring in the military to have these convoys removed. They are hurting Canada and Canada's economy.

Too much risk. Reports are some of them are armed, it would just take one simpleton to open fire and lets just say it wouldn't end well.

I think you need to go back and read the first few pages again rather than quote out of context at me. Stating a fact is not slander. You were pushing conspiracy theories. When debate is lost nonsense is the tool of the loser.

Maybe Socrates the footballer said it.

Are you sure?

Eric Trump tweeted it, surely he would have fact checked it.

Well the fact a Trump tweeted it means theres a 97% chance its scutter.

But the Trump disciples will believe and preach the word of the Lord.

I love the maturity of CT’ists. It’s the same on the CT forum. Throw a hissy fit, misquote, post nonsense, then memes…..finally it usually ends up with name calling and a dramatic fake exit.

Has he started calling everyone else a "paid poster" yet?

Agreed.

But they were also armed, back in the days of the October crisis.

However I think by now everyone has discontent with the Canadian government on handling the Corona crisis, and that includes Trudeau calling an early election in the middle of the crisis, in hopes of gaining more seats, in reality gaining nothing, but at a cost to the Canadian taxpayer.... I think the whole early election cost around 600 Million.

Also, I think Canada should finally open up the borders to fully vaccinated travellers without any ifs, buts or maybes, forms or ArriveCanada Apps. Canadian Passport, Vaccination certificate with QR code, and one should be done.

No need for artificially creating endless queues at Pearson airport and risks of getting infected.

But this has hardly anything to do with the convoy, - but again, it's my personal discontent.

Both the British and the Irish governments handled themselves better in the pandemic.