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Kermit.de.frog · 10-02-2022 5:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611101#Comment_118611101

They are. The problem is that this is an intentional act of intimidation to a neighbour on it's borders.

BluePlanet · 10-02-2022 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118566558#Comment_118566558

Old post, however you cited that FAIR is biased for using native speakers in Crimea, rather than ethnicity in their article.

However it occurs to me that native speakers is the most accurate metric, due to an example below. Ukraine hasn't exactly been balklanized along ethnic lines as yet, though that may be occurring.

The Left Bank, which includes the current regions of Crimea, Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Kharkov, Kherson, Lugansk, Odessa, Nikolayevsk, and Zaporozhye, forms a relatively compact ethnic and cultural community that is distinguished by the strong influence of Russian culture, even where the majority of the population defines itself as Ukrainian.

In the eastern regions that supported Viktor Yanukovych in the 2004 elections, for example, the percentage of the population that considered itself ‘Russian’ was only 34.5 percent, but the percentage of those who considered themselves to be primarily ‘Russian speakers’ was 82.1 percent.

From: https://www.e-ir.info/2015/03/13/understanding-the-other-ukraine-identity-and-allegiance-in-russophone-ukraine/#google_vignette

timmyntc · 10-02-2022 5:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611657#Comment_118611657

I thought you said nobody complained sure?

10-02-2022 5:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611681#Comment_118611681

When did Finland and Norway demand a buffer zone to Russia?

When did Finland and Norway demand Russia to remove missiles pointing at them?

Should Finland invade Karelia and demand a referendum since majority of people living there speaks Finnish and have more in common with Finland then Russia and use it as a buffer zone?

BluePlanet · 10-02-2022 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611661#Comment_118611661

The government in Kyiv doesn't even control all the territory of "Ukraine". How can they make foreign policy decisions for people and land area not under their jurisdiction?

timmyntc · 10-02-2022 6:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611736#Comment_118611736

goalpost shifting now - unless the definition of "complained" has changed to encompass annexing territory?

You said that nobody complained about missiles on the border or during the cold war, then you say that Finns and Swedes felt aggrieved about Russian aggression in the past - so which is it? To complain or not complain - that is the question. Buffer zones and annexation of territory is an entirely different point youre touching on now

timmyntc · 10-02-2022 6:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611744#Comment_118611744

Kiev can't join NATO while they dont have control over their territory - if they go into Donetsk and start overtly attacking Russian separatists, Russia will threaten to intervene. It's part of the Russian plan to stop them joining NATO, by keeping them in limbo with disputed territories.

10-02-2022 6:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611780#Comment_118611780

I said you have to live and grow up in a country near to soviet union to feel what its like before you even know what your talking about.

You are obviously the one that needs to be spoonfed this..

And nobody complained about having any buffer zones and missiles pointing at them,i repeat for the 3 time now.

Gatling · 10-02-2022 6:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611798#Comment_118611798

There's no separatists ,only Russian soldiers ,all the so called leaders of the separatists were all fsb agents,

Russian tanks , artillery , mortar's , vehicles sit beside residential properties and population centers,so they have free reign to shoot into ukraine , knowing ukraine won't shoot back for fear of escalation from the Russians , just like in Georgia

johnnyskeleton · 10-02-2022 7:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118610407#Comment_118610407

I wonder does Putin realise that if he didn't invade his neighbours, his neighbours wouldn't want to join NATO?

20silkcut · 10-02-2022 8:36pm

https://youtu.be/FxhLkwmSu98

The time the USSR asked to join NATO.

TheTruth89 · 10-02-2022 9:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611266#Comment_118611266

Well then everyone loses unless the us have a way to stop Russian missiles which they very well could do with the amount they spend on military in which case the bear gets an even worse going over as they would be nuked to oblivion.

But regardless the Kremlin has no way to win so there won't be a war they are all talk and sabre rattling, ironically enough Ukraine will now be even more determined than ever to join the eu and NATO.

XsApollo · 10-02-2022 9:34pm

While Crimea or eastern Ukraine is occupied they can never join NATO as that would automatically trigger Nato to defend.

unless they officially secede Crimea and parts of the east of the country.

XsApollo · 10-02-2022 9:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612776#Comment_118612776

Maybe that was the plan all along.

TheTruth89 · 10-02-2022 9:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611278#Comment_118611278

There is a high appetite amongst NATO to stop Ukraine being attacked ,Are Russia prepared to be soundly beaten in a military conflict with the west? There whole tough guy routine and image will be severely damaged after they are forced to bend the knee to NATO.

But even if NATO doesn't help, the loses they will take when they take over Ukraine will be savage from the initial war then gurrilla war.

They got embarrassed in afghan the Ukraine will be worse and they will eventually be forced to withdraw.

Now factor in they can't afford any of this and it's a clear picture that there will be no war.

Gatling · 10-02-2022 9:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612776#Comment_118612776

Not true ,

XsApollo · 10-02-2022 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612802#Comment_118612802

What’s not true?

Gatling · 10-02-2022 9:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612810#Comment_118612810

Nato would automatically have to come and defend Ukraine

jmreire · 10-02-2022 9:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611266#Comment_118611266

Yes, beyond a doubt, great leadership by Vladimir.. in defence of his beloved Country, he is prepared to annihilate the Russian population( and the rest of the world ) if he does not get what he wants... maybe he should consult with the Russian people before he goes down that path?? ( Oh, I forgot...he does not do "Consultation" )

XsApollo · 10-02-2022 9:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612831#Comment_118612831

Isn’t that the whole point of the alliance?

listermint · 10-02-2022 10:38pm

Nato nato nato nato.... Me bollix. To use local parlance.

This is and has always been about Russia wanting to disrupt the EU and its march for unity and economic power.

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1491763447557763073

The same way they pushed for brexit. Brexit trick only works once.

Danzy · 10-02-2022 10:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118613179#Comment_118613179

Think there are more fundamental issues for Russia than that.

Pretending that Russia brought about Brexit, surely you didn't type that in seriousness.

listermint · 10-02-2022 10:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118613286#Comment_118613286

If you don't think Russian influence and money didn't have massive contribution to the brexit misinformation campaign then you weren't following along. Whatsoever.

Sand · 10-02-2022 11:26pm

We're back to the world where Russia is both simultaneously a pathetic joke and the power that runs US and UK politics.

Beasty · 11-02-2022 12:28am

MFPM threadban lifted

BurgerFace · 11-02-2022 1:39am

Let's all just step back for a moment.

Now the popular narrative is that Russia are going to invade The Ukraine. Correct so far? They are going to invade and attempt to reestablish the Soviet Empire. .. .So far am I correct?

Why?

I saw a headline today that read "Putin is playing a long game. Current standoff could last a year."

Why would this standoff last a year if a Russian invasion was "imminent" 2 weeks ago? What's it going to be?

If Russia is going to invade The Ukraine then why are we waiting? Have the Russians actually invaded? And if they have invaded Donbass and The Crimea then why are we waiting to fight back? If Russia has already invaded The Ukraine then what is the issue? Why are we waiting for them to take the rest of the country?

Why aren't there masses of troops and tanks across the water just ready to take back Crimea?. To me it's baffling. Why haven't Russia invaded and occupied The Ukraine yet? It ought to be a fairly simple move. Get into Ukraine and take the place over before they are armed by others and offered the chance to fight back.

When can we actually expect this Russian invasion?

Just asking.

jmreire · 11-02-2022 1:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118613994#Comment_118613994

And here we go again !!! Aris Antony.....ta siad ar teacht !!!! When Putin withdraws all his military from the border BurgerFace, then with my hand on my heart, I'll say ( and whole heartedly mean!!) BurgerFace was right, there was no invasion. But until that occurs, there is an invasion waiting to happen. That's my position, and I'm sticking to it...

TheTruth89 · 11-02-2022 2:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118613994#Comment_118613994

Heres whats really happening with Russia.

Russia is declining all across the board and is losing its foot hold on the world stage as a power, there Economy is declining, there population is declining they have the lowest fertitlity rate in the world nearly, there military is declining, the country is riddled in corruption.. Putin is becoming desperate as Russia is slowly but surely becoming irrelevant as china takes its place.

They cant win a war economically they cant win it militarily, all they really have is threats in an attempt to stay relevant.

If russia invades Ukraine its checkmate, its economical suicide and they are going to be bogged down in a mass gurrilla war for years and in there quest to stop having nato on there boarder ironically enough they ll have made the boarder bigger.

As for has russia invade dombras and Crimea? really are you actually in all seriousness pretending that didnt happen? Is that the level of discussion you want to have?

11-02-2022 2:22am

It's quite curious that a few weeks ago when the Russian invasion was 'imminent' the Yanks were very quiet and happy to let the Russians tie their own noose.

Now that no such invasion has been forthcoming you can see Uncle Sam ratcheting up the propaganda. Despite Ukraine trying to calm things down and engage in diplomacy, the Americans are starting to prod the bear.

A NATO powerhouse (France & Macron) is now also espousing the importance of diplomacy.

We've gone from Russia surrounding Ukraine in order to invade at any second...to, if something happens it was a 'false flag'. The Yanks are setting the table.

The Yanks are cornering themselves. Thankfully the EU countries are countering Washington's war games.

TheTruth89 · 11-02-2022 2:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118614062#Comment_118614062

Its a win win for the US, anything that damages russia, weakens china too in terms of the US maintaining its status as the most dominant force on the planet this is a fantastic scenario for them, they are only itching for russia to attack Ukraine so the world buries them with Sanctions.

You cant argue with a full scale military set up of 100k + troops on the Ukraine boarder, they arent there for tea and biscuits so assuming an invasion is imminent isnt outlandish infact its a normal assumption to make.

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