Russia - threadbanned users in OP

agoodpunt · 11-02-2022 6:02am

stop trolling here ffs, every time you post you stupidly deliberately miss facts/reality

timmyntc · 11-02-2022 9:43am

Every 2 years or so there are articles warning of an "imminent" russian invasion of Ukraine, or troop buildups on their borders.

If the invasion as far as the dnieper hasnt happened yet, what makes you think it would happen now?

Elmer Blooker · 11-02-2022 10:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118614052#Comment_118614052

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic comes to mind after reading that.

You would probably be better off worrying about our own country rather than obsessing about the Russian economy. I heard last night (Primetime or Tonight show, can’t remember) that food price inflation hasn’t even hit yet but it’s coming. We import too much food and the price of transport/fuel will hit hard eventually.

Ironically the sanctions have benefited Russia as they have had to adapt their economy (esp food) and are basically self sufficient unlike us.

Cluedo Monopoly · 11-02-2022 11:24am

I am sick to death of hearing on the news that there are 'increased fears' that Russia are going to invade Ukraine.

Increased 'fears' and 'risk' every single day when everybody knows it's not going to happen. Pointless broadcasting.

Gatling · 11-02-2022 12:44pm

@[Deleted User] Now that no such invasion has been forthcoming you can see Uncle Sam ratcheting up the propaganda.

What propaganda ,this is the exact Playbook Russia used to invade 8 years ago ,

Build of forces - were not there little green men ,there are no Russian forces in Ukraine ,it's nothing but russophobia

False flag , were not there but we went in because Genocide was being committed against the Russian population.. we've found mass Graves and sites of massacres against the Russian population . No evidence has ever been produced .

Russia going to the UN to complain about Ukrainian forces firing inside ukraine against aggression (war crimes), but they Russia can fire from inside Russia and hit Ukrainian positions , Russia good ukraine bad

Yada yada yada

Maybe do a little homework

Gatling · 11-02-2022 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118614486#Comment_118614486

Lol Russian adapted their economy ...

What nonsense is that

11-02-2022 12:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118614062#Comment_118614062

Russia has been using an advanced form of hybrid warfare in Ukraine since early 2014 that relies heavily on an element of information warfare that the Russians call “reflexive control.” Reflexive control causes a stronger adversary voluntarily to choose the actions most advantageous to Russian objectives by shaping the adversary’s perceptions of the situation decisively. Moscow has used this technique skillfully to persuade the U.S. and its European allies to remain largely passive in the face of Russia’s efforts to disrupt and dismantle Ukraine through military and non-military means. The West must become alert to the use of reflexive control techniques and find ways to counter them if it is to succeed in an era of hybrid war.

Reflexive control, and the Kremlin’s information warfare generally, is not the result of any theoretical innovation. All of the underlying concepts and most of the techniques were developed by the Soviet Union decades ago. Russian strategic theory today remains relatively unimaginative and highly dependent on the body of Soviet work with which Russia’s leaders are familiar. Russian information operations in Ukraine do not herald a new era of theoretical or doctrinal advances, although they aim, in part, to create precisely this impression.

The key elements of Russia’s reflexive control techniques in Ukraine have been:

• Denial and deception operations to conceal or obfuscate the presence of Russian forces in Ukraine, including sending in “little green men” in uniforms without insignia;

• Concealing Moscow’s goals and objectives in the conflict, which sows fear in some and allows others to persuade themselves that the Kremlin’s aims are limited and ultimately acceptable;

• Retaining superficially plausible legality for Russia’s actions by denying Moscow’s involvement in the conflict, requiring the international community to recognize Russia as an interested power rather than a party to the conflict, and pointing to supposedly-equivalent Western actions such as the unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo in the 1990s and the invasion of Iraq in 2003;

• Simultaneously threatening the West with military power in the form of overflights of NATO and non-NATO countries’ airspace, threats of using Russia’s nuclear weapons, and exaggerated claims of Russia’s military prowess and success;

• The deployment of a vast and complex global effort to shape the narrative about the Ukraine conflict through formal and social media.

The results of these efforts have been mixed. Russia has kept the West from intervening materially in Ukraine, allowing itself the time to build and expand its own military involvement in the conflict. It has sowed discord within the NATO alliance and created tensions between potential adversaries about how to respond. It has not, however, fundamentally changed popular or elite attitudes about Russia’s actions in Ukraine, nor has it created an information environment favorable to Moscow.

Above all, Russia has been unable so far to translate the strategic and grand strategic advantages of its hybrid warfare strategy into major and sustainable successes on the ground in Ukraine. It appears, moreover that Moscow may be reaching a point of diminishing returns in continuing a strategy that relies in part on its unexpectedness in Ukraine.

BluePlanet · 11-02-2022 1:00pm

"Ukraine" will never be a NATO member now. There is a sizeable portion of that territory that want nothing to do with it, and have and will continue to take up arms to keep the Kyiv forces out.

Donbas and a large swath east of the Dnieper will secede.

Gatling · 11-02-2022 1:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615335#Comment_118615335

Where are you getting that from

jmreire · 11-02-2022 1:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611573#Comment_118611573

Nato stopped the war in the Balkans 1995, and again in Kosova in 1999. Who is still keeping the peace there? If NATO pulled out of Kosovo, what do you think will happen? Serbia has never recognized the state pf Kosovo, it's still their religious heartland. And they regard Russians as their brothers, sharing the same religion and dislike of NATO, and in the present uncertain times, no telling how that would work out. I would not like to be living near the bridge in Mitrovica anyway.....The civil war in Libya was well under way with Ghaddafi slaughtering thousands of Libyans, ( and would have slaughtered much more too ) until NATO stepped in. Blaming NATO for the present situation in Libya ( a favorite theme ) is completely wrong....if NATO had not intervened, do you think that the outcome would have been any different??? Ghaddafi's ouster, no matter the circumstances, was always going to lead to a bloody struggle to replace him. Sure NATO is far from perfect, but its what we have. And the way things are looking in Ukraine, damn lucky to have it too.

Elmer Blooker · 11-02-2022 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118614827#Comment_118614827

That’s because we are exposed to English language media and who are the two ring leaders who would welcome a conflict in Ukraine?

Neither are EU members of course and a conflict in Ukraine would undoubtedly lead to economic collapse in Germany and ultimately the end of the EU. Cui bono?

Gatling · 11-02-2022 1:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615469#Comment_118615469

Not true at all .

11-02-2022 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615469#Comment_118615469

Or maybe Russian hybrid warfare

https://youtu.be/c7Trxb3zbhc

Harryd225 · 11-02-2022 2:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118613336#Comment_118613336

The Russians are to blame for Brexit now apparently.

Harryd225 · 11-02-2022 2:18pm

Funny this thread, all the stuff I was saying 2 weeks ago is now being said by everyone. 2 weeks ago I was labelled a conspiracy theorist and a joke.

MFPM · 11-02-2022 2:20pm

So there's been no invasion in my absence, I see. Biden now calling on US citizens to leave immediately, he really is shameless, I suppose his poll figures are so bad he needs to do something.

Biden's good pals in Israel bombed Damascus on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning....condemnation was swift on RTE/Sky and the BBC...Not!

MFPM · 11-02-2022 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615701#Comment_118615701

I think on this thread you can put in 'Russia is to blame for'.....and insert anything you like!

Elmer Blooker · 11-02-2022 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615502#Comment_118615502

Your video mentions a Russian military build up on the borders of Ukraine at 1:50, I then noticed the vid is four years old.

How ‘imminent’ is that?

Gatling · 11-02-2022 2:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615798#Comment_118615798

Stop with the spoofing

11-02-2022 4:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615798#Comment_118615798

Maybe because Russias hybrid warfare have been around since Russias invasion of Georgia in 2008,Einstein

listermint · 11-02-2022 4:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615701#Comment_118615701

Amusing that the quoted post doesn't actually say what you have said it says

It can't be that you are trying to obfuscate and impose hyperbole.... Can't it!. Can it?

jmreire · 11-02-2022 4:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615724#Comment_118615724

Why not tell the full story MFPM? Why the one sided slant? ( suits your narrative, I guess) Ok here is the full version, courtesy of Aljazeera " In response to missiles fired into Northern Israel from the direction of Damascus, Israel targeted radar and anti- aircraft battery's located outside Damascus in missile strikes." And your statement that Israel bombed Damascus city, and by implication, targeting civilians, is untrue. So nothing new.....hesbollah etc, attack Israel, Israel retaliates....big bad Israel.#

Anyway, even if we often don't see eye to eye,

Welcome back.

Polar101 · 11-02-2022 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615731#Comment_118615731

How about "Russia is to blame for annexing Crimea and invading Eastern Ukraine?"

TheTruth89 · 11-02-2022 5:40pm

Yeah economic sanctions are now a good thing for economies these days, the levels of mental gymnastics are amazing on here these days 🤣

TheTruth89 · 11-02-2022 5:46pm

Why have 150 k troops posturing for an invasion if they are not planning some form of an attack on Ukraine?

I find it laughable that some on here try to dismiss the notion of an invasion as if it so outlandish,

We all know what Russia are really about and no amount of smoke and mirrors and misinformation spammed on here will change it.

We know what they did in 2014 and we know what they are trying to do now but are being stopped by NATO.

The false flag nonsense ain't working this time and Putin is hesitating as the west is tired of there ****.

timmyntc · 11-02-2022 5:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118616921#Comment_118616921

Why have 150 k troops posturing for an invasion if they are not planning some form of an attack on Ukraine?

Good question - why have thousands of troops "posturing for an invasion" for the last decade if they are not planning some form of an attack on Ukraine?

This must be one of the slowest invasions ever in that case