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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Just from reading one of the articles claiming to be about Denmark saying the vaccine was too unsafe to use, that isn't what any of the articles stated of course. It also included the information that anyone in Denmark who wanted to have the J&J vaccine could of course still do so after discussion with their GP.


    Can't be that unsafe if they were still making use of the vaccine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The articles he posts may as well be about coal mining due to the lack of ability to read, or comprehension issues. They never say exactly what he claims.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    And read your article, it contains the same information. These blood clots have happened, but they are extremely rare.

    "A comprehensive review of the blood clot condition following vaccinations between last December and Aug. 31 found six deaths among 50 confirmed cases of the blood clot condition among recipients of the one-shot regimen. During that period, 14 million doses of the vaccine were given, according to the study published last month, which has not yet been peer-reviewed."

    Again, 1 in 2 million. And you're in a thread where people are claiming these vaccines are really dangerous, that thousands are dying, that it's all being covered up by the media you are quoting, by the health authorities you are referencing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Something that seems to happen a lot to conspiracy theories. It's almost like they're just reading the headlines and an out of context part of it and nothing else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    If only reading comprehension was taught in primary schools.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Typical conspiracy theorist…can’t pinpoint anything right now. Always sometime in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Ok. Please provide evidence that other countries have entered these "non recourse binding legal contracts" with J&J and please show where they state that they aren't allowed to do cancel or talk about the vaccines being unsafe.

    Again, this sounds a lot like your usual makey uppey fantasies with just new big boy words you probably googled 10 mins ago.

    If you don't provide the evidence and try to to weasel away from this point in your next point, it will be taken as an admission by yourself that it's another lie.


    And you're still dodging my question about Reuters. They report what the FDA and CDC are saying. Yet you are claiming that they are obviously lying. The lies being so obvious that you, a very ignorant very childishly minded person can see that without evidence or further digging.

    So Reuters obviously must know that they are lying also. You are not smarter or more informed than the reporters at Reuters.

    Yet, Reuters report that the vaccines are safe. They did not point out the FDA and CDC are lying. Why not?


    And lol, are you really trying to deflect back to whinging about efficacy because you're getting embarassed by your claims about safety. How sad.


    And unfortunately, as much as you're whinging about the last question, it's clearly a sore spot for you. So I'll leave it alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Evidence for this please. In your next post or again, it's an admission of fabrication on your part.

    Also, why are you pretending to know "when the true figures" will come out. You've already said that you were lying about having insider knowledge. Why are you trying the same lie again now.


    Also, why would the figures be released at all given how anyone who reports on them would be sued according to your expert legal knowledge?


    Again, you don't seem to think about all the different tweets you believe or how they fit together. You just keep spouting them out even when they contradict each other.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Oh and watch, in 3 months when none of that actually happens, he'll weasel and dodge and deny he ever made that predication.

    I wager that will be the one that will make him storm off and rereg.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You, someone from the internet, have a "feeling" that figures will be higher. No concrete evidence for this whatsoever, just a "feeling". By a remarkable coincidence, you also fanatically believe that this one vaccine is particularly dangerous. You're also expressing this on a forum famous for people having all sorts of "feelings" that never turn out to be true, and then disappearing afterwards.

    We get lied to all the time by posters here, it's nearly a 100% rate in my experience of the last 4 or 5 years. So we'll see in 3 months.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    ... And Ireland doesn't have the Sputnik vaccine in their set of vaccines being used. What is your point?

    Denmark have merely decided not to continue using some vaccines for their main vaccine program, for multiple reasons including vaccine hesitancy on certain brands and miniscule difference between the reactions seen with one brand over another. You can still get any of the approved vaccines, none of the vaccines have been restricted in being able to be used... They just decided that it's simpler to have a smaller selection that they provide as standard.

    Nothing about a vaccine having been withdrawn due to safety concerns, just they picked others as their preferred brands to use.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Ah yea, but didn't you see the op on this thread. There's no issue with the Sputnik vaccine. That's the only vaccine that's safe according to our resident conspiracy theories.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I note that all of these news articles which are being linked as if they are breaking news developments that nobody was aware of until Phishnet got the inside scoop from the flight attendants on the way to the US, are mostly from early 2021. Nothing new, nothing that anyone wasn't already aware of about some countries choosing to use only some of the available choices of vaccines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No they don't think it's going to turn out "more dangerous". They are going on the current data that both you and me have access to.

    This is your own personal claim that the vaccine will "turn out more dangerous". That it will be evident in 3 months. So we'll see.

    In these scenarios posters that make these types of predictions either a) disappear b) change the goalposts c) make some excuse or pretend another conspiracy to "cover up the data" is taking place



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Mushrooms is still not going to become an insult, however much you try. Wondering if there is some wierd Google search trick you are attempting to manipulate and get the words mushroom and conspiracy to trends somehow.


    Your evidence of having inside information on vaccines being cancelled is all being backed up by articles which are nearly 10 months old. You've not foretold anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    We should have had a separate thread from the start following all the user conspiracies and conspiracy predictions. There have been dozens so far on this sub-forum in the last two years. Zero correct.

    100% BS rate so far.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    That doesn't say what you think it says.

    Merely that they have chosen to prefer to use other brands. At no point do they say that you cannot take the other approved vaccines due to safety, just that the state is choosing to supply different ones.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    "We're not going to use vaccine X and Y any more as part of our program. Other vaccines are working better for us. Anyone who wants vaccine X or Y can still have them and they are perfectly safe and far safer than being unvaccinated or catching Covid"

    This is "news" from May 2021. It's no scoop and is nothing new that people didn't know about before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Cool. But there's many other countries who concluded the opposite.

    You lied and claimed that this was due to "contract stuff". You've admitted that you lied about this and cannot provide any other explanation.


    Why would other countries conclude the opposite?

    Why do you believe that the Danish government is infallible?

    The Danish government has decided to use the other vaccines, so does this mean they are safe to your standards, or will you now claim that the Danes are back in the global communist/satantic conspiracy?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Ok. So if you can't actually point out these contracts or prove your claim, then it's just more of your bullshit. Thanks for admitting this.

    You claimed that J&J would cease their production due to safety issues. That didn't happen. You're lying again.


    And again, you're still dodging my question about Reuters. You can't explain why you trust them. You've only decided to randomly because you believe they support your silly claims. The moment one of their reports is inconvenient to your bullshit, you'll change your mind and will declare they're part of the conspiracy again. You conspiracy theorists do this often because your religious beliefs are vague and malleable and you constantly shift reality to match whatever claim you're making at the time.


    You might need some help there, so here's a helpful chart:




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol. Again, this mirroring thing you do when you get really pissy is very cute.


    You constantly try to dodge and weasel away from questions without answering them.

    JUst a few posts ago you were trying to deflect back to your lies about the vaccine's efficacy.


    You've also constantly ignored the central question:

    The danish government says that the others vaccines are safe.

    Do you agree with this, yes or no?


    Watch how you try to weasel again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And again with these play ground tactics. Remind us how old you are? Either you're far to young to be posting, or you should be very ashamed of yourself for using the "Nuh uh, you are" tactic.


    As for the evidence, other countries, including the US are still offering and allowing the vaccine.

    Why? You admitted that you lied about "contract stuff" so please don't embarrass yourself further by repeating this lie.


    Also, notice how you've ignored the majority of my points and questions only minutes after falsely accusing someone of doing the same?

    How do you justify this to yourself?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    See. Can't even answer a simple yes or no question. And again, you're projecting your constant dodging onto other people because you're upset.

    Maybe you should take a break and come back after you've had a nice nap?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I understand what they stated, back in May 2021, perfectly fine. They said that the vaccines are safe and those approved vaccines are available to Danes. They also said that they decided to use a certain subset of the available vaccines for their vaccination programme as the numbers were better with some brands over others.


    If someone chooses to use a particular brand of tyre on their car because it has better grip, that doesn mean that the other brand they decided not to use because it is mildly less effective in the wet is suddenly unsafe. Just they figured one brand is a bit better and they can afford it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But you've already posted these. You've provided the links that show that the vaccine is still available in the US.

    But because you're throwing one of your tantrums and it will be funny to watch you scramble to find another excuse to ignore my questions, let me spoon feed you:

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/janssen/index.html

     Individuals who are unable or unwilling to receive an mRNA vaccine will continue to have access to Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine.


    There you go. As for other countries, the fact you don't point out other examples beyond your handful proves my point.


    Now answer my questions in full please. Or man up for a change and just admit you were bullshitting.


    Or better yet, maybe try to take a swing at a simple yes or no question:

    The danish government believes the other vaccines are safe to use. Do you agree with them? Yes or no?


    But watch how you avoid and dodge and whinge.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Absolutely nowhere has said that side effects of the vaccines are more dangerous than Covid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    It’s bizarre that he can’t understand basic stuff. Ireland is using a subset of approved vaccines too. There is no requirement to provide every single one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol. I take ten minutes to write a reply and you use that to declare victory? That's a little desperate on your part...


    Also, a reminding you have not once provided any statement from those other countries. We are simply assuming that you are right here rather than trying to chase you down on evidence you will not provide.

    I full suspect you are lying about them. Because you constantly lie about things when you're backed into a corner and in the middle of a tantrum.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    If we say for a moment what they stated is what you claim, and you should also remember that the statement will not have been made in English so the translation is unlikely to be accurate anyway, and they are saying that the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid... Why are they still letting citizens choose to use those other vaccines?

    If it's more dangerous then they shouldn't be allowing people to take it. How do you explain that?



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