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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Putin certainly won't be doing anything on Wednesday now, not with US intelligence openly calling it days in advance. Russian commencement of action on that day now would be implicit public recognition of an intelligence failure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭Ahherelads2022


    Well I think that outpost was In Dagestan, correct, which was at the start of the conflict, but the fighters were Chechen and Mujhadeen fighters. They were violent but from a military point of view they were great fighters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭Ahherelads2022


    I remember that, see your man talking on the radio for help that wasn't coming.


    Shamil Basaev I think was ethnic but many of the fighters involved became extremist and the support fighters were all head choppers. The world is a better place since Russia pacified that region.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Okay - so you're the US president. Russia has just nuked your 1,000,000 strong NATO army which was driving toward Moscow. Russia is a "burning dumpster fire" so you decide to escalate by nuking major Russian population centres. What happens next? Russia would never dare retaliate by nuking major US population centres, right?

    The difference between Russian interventions in Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine vs. NATO interventions in Afghanistan (for example) is that Russia largely achieved its goals in those countries. Whereas Afghanistan was Taliban controlled prior to US intervention and 21 years of American casualties later, it is still Taliban controlled. Again - I stress I'm not interested in taking the Russian side in this argument you want to have. I am just pointing out the hard reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    It's very odd that the UK state controlled broadcaster didn't report the humiliating incompetence of a UK minister.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    You forgot to mention Azerbaijan and Armenia? They really showed them who was boss there...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    It's an amusing incident if it were not so serious. But it's par for the course with our era of politicians worldwide it seems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Did Russia intervene in that war? I recall that Armenia was trying to chart an independent course from Russia. So Russia had little inclination to rescue them from Azerbaijan given Russia wished to maintain influence with the Azeris too. Armenia would have been better served by exploiting cultural links to seek a strong alliance with Russia. Whatever anyone thinks about the Russian regime, if you live in their neighbourhood it is infinitely better to be friendly than not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    NATO army driving towards Moscow? Even in a hypothetical conversation, the idea of NATO marching on Moscow is ridiculous. . I can't comprehend where this bull comes from, I really can't.

    You then go on and try compare Afghanistan, where foreign forces left so the country could govern itself, with areas where Russia invaded and left russian puppets in charge.

    🤦

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I also thought it was amusing - and credible - because I've been in those sort of meetings where poorly prepared superiors needed rescuing. The sort of territory where 'The Thick of It' comes to life.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand




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    How Ukraine is run seems to have become a russian problem,since you see Russian green men pop up in Donbass and Crimea from time to time,inbetween fake refererendums and destabilisation.

    And western leaders problems can be easily solved by given the responsibility to their military leaders if Russia decides to invade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Dead Ukrainians do not lose politicians votes in the US. Proxy wars are no problem especially when someone else's voters are the cannon fodder.

    The stated goal of the Russians since 2014 is the federalisation of Ukraine so it is no longer a threat to them. In the past Russian citizens/subjects paid the ultimate price when France (chased back to Paris) and Germany (chased back to Berlin) advanced along the European plain which has no natural barriers. That's why they put up the buffer around themselves post WW2. Having a sitiation where the Caucasus can be easily cut off in a matter of days is a risk for the Russian military planners, history has shown it is better that it does not come around.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    While Russia can certainly perceive a threat from having NATO members physically bordering it, I don't see why that should overrule the perception that those bordering NATO members may have about a threat from Russia which gave them the inclination to join in the first place. After all, Moscow has not been the most benign actor to Poland or the Baltic States over the last century, they have good cause to be cautious.

    To help Russia feel more secure in its setting, it can take solace in its having a large, nuclear armed military. That should be sufficient deterrent enough against any escapades from Lithuania or Poland...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Highly improbable Russia will invade, despite what the Western media telling you. Personally think it's all crap and propaganda. Russia is mass-murdering Ukrainians here a nation that shares a historical history with them. Russian public does want to hear about Russian soldiers killing civilians. Putin bluffing but the western leaders are not smart enough to see it. The reality here it's Nato that most likely cause a blunder in this region by acting recklessly with flyovers and ship movements.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Bullshit. Did the place a squirrel in the Kremlin to find out.? Every major country has war plans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Not that it justifies it but people outside of that region underestimate the sensitivity of the idea of armies going east and the idea that Ukraine is not Russia. The foundation of Russia was in Kievan Rus. Kiev.


    Every happy family is alike, every unhappy family is unique.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Flyover? Flying over what? Ship movements where?

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Why is it highly improbable, given the mass mobilisation occurring? It's looking increasingly likely that the biggest bluff of all was the fact that so many people believed, and some continue to believe, that Russia is only capable of bluffing while it assembled the largest army in Europe since the second world war and primed it for an invasion.

    Also, thousands of civilians in Ukraine have already died in the conflict. Nearly 15,000 soldiers too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    That gives Russia precisely zero right to invade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Correct but people are underestimating how serious this is in Moscow.


    Know thine enemy and such.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Ukraine is bordering Russia. Putin can move troops a 100 miles doesn't mean much. It is not like there moving across other countries' landmass. They could return to barracks in hours and be home for tea.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Many of them are 2000 miles from home barracks.


    You might be from the Midlands but in Cork we consider that a fair stretch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    They aren't worrying about Kievan Rus in the Kremlin. I think we could all guess they are cranky because they moved 100k soldiers to their border. What are you on about armies heading east?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    When nothing happens remember I told you so. Have a good night believing this crap.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Ok Jester, good night!

    Anyway back to the discussion for the informed - it's interesting that there still isn't a consensus within EU states regarding the response to sanctions.




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭jmreire



    Re Afghanistan Sand, I lived and worked there for several years, before sept 11th, under the Taliban and several years later after the US had arrived, and you know something Sand? After sept 11th,the differences were unimaginable. it was a completely different Country...women were going to school and working. University's were fully functioning, road net works were being rebuilt, even main roads linking cities that the desert had taken back, water systems repaired and in Hospitals , the changes were unbelievable. The infant and mother mortality rates dropped dramatically, so that the population increased from 20.78 million in 2000, to 37.3 million in 2021. The effects of the Famines' that regularly occur in Afghanistan, were vastly reduced. And now, the famine presently threatening Afghanistan, is presenting as the biggest global catastrophic event in 2022. Can you point out any other so called "Invader" in history who actually improved the invaded Country? ( there was of course the rebuilding of Germany and Japan after ww2, in which the US played a major role ) As for defeating the US in Afghanistan, what defeated the US was not a military defeat..it was a combination of the efforts of Pakistan and of course Iran, who did not want a successful and independent Afghanistan on their doorstep. So they hampered US efforts to modernize Afghanistan, and it was not helped by the endemic corruption that existed in Afghanistan itself. And now what have we...the Taliban back, everyone cheering the "defeat " of the US by sandal wearing Afghans. Poor Afghanistan, lovely people,,,,,Soon the best 20 years of your recent history will only be a memory.

    As for Georgia, Chechnya and now Ukraine,,,none of these Countrys wanted to be part of Russia, why do you think there were wars? As you say, Russia achieved its goals all right, by slaughtering thousands, and dispossessing them from their lands.. what about the rights of these Countrys?? But according to you, No, only Russia has rights.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Pressure tactic that's all it is. Frankly, Russia has rebel support to start a war in Donbas again and cause trouble for Kiev government. A new proxy war. Therre no need to takeover the country when you have factions inside the country willing to go war again if needed. Fact donbass is quiet is evidence no war is coming.



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