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Being left out of birthday parties

  • 10-02-2022 11:31pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭


    7 girls in one of my daughters class and a month ago one girl had a birthday party that my daughter was left out of. We know of four girls that went. The birthday girl's mother goes walking the odd time with my wife but says nothing.

    This weekend another girl is having a birthday party and we hear all the girls are going without our daughter. Our daughter gives a card she made to the girl and the mother texts to say thanks and tries to justify why my daughter cannot go saying only four allowed and mad to have more with Covid etc.

    Am I missing something? I don't know what to say to my daughter?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    May well be covid.

    We had one back in November for our 8 year old boy.

    His last party pre covid had his whole class, over 20 kids. This time it was just 5 kids and his cousins to keep it below 10



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    There are no restrictions any more with regards to Covid and every girl in the class is going except our daughter. The birthday girl is also our next door neighbour.

    I'm half wondering if I should ask if there is a reason or issue as I'm not overly pleased with our daughter upset over it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Pistachio19


    Did the mother not say only 4 were going? That means that its not only your child who wasn't invited. Or has she lied to your wife? I appreciate that the covid rules have changed but people are still wary of gatherings so maybe they don't want anymore than 4 kids in the house. It is crap when its just one who is left out and if that is the case then it might be worth asking if there is an issue between the girls that you and your wife are unaware of.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,910 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    How old is your daughter? Are you sure all other girls are going? Maybe there's an issue with your daughter that you are unaware of?

    There are only 3 other girls in my daughter's class. My daughter has been having an issue with 1 of the girls. I've gone to the school about it but not mentioned it to the girl's mother. I would go by what my daughter wanted. And if she didn't want this girl at something then I wouldn't invite her. As it turns out things seem to be settling and I will be inviting this child to my daughter's party in the summer. But, I would have no problem in arranging a quiet day out with the other 2 girls and not letting this mother know that it was happening if I felt this child's presence would upset my child.

    If your child is regularly being left out of gatherings you might need to talk to her to see if anything is happening in school, and maybe going to school and asking them if there appears to be any problems within the class group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Our daughter is 8.If something was going on I can't understand why a mother would organise a party, say nothing leaving our daughter out and then be all friendly with my wife expecting her to join her walking.

    Our daughter has asked the birthday girl and it would appear she is the only girl not going. I could fully understand if they were all being brought to a play centre and it was a money issue but it's at the house so what's another 3 quids worth of sweets



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭starbaby2003


    If your daughter is the only girl not included in a class, that is absolutely not ok. The parent themselves should know that. I’ve invited all the girls in my daughters class for her birthdays just to avoid a situation like this. Cannot believe she wouldn’t make an exception, especially with the connection already there through your wife. Does your daughter have friends in the class ? Do you have play dates for her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Yes the girls grew up together. A few summers ago we did a big playdate. Four classes boys and girls. We didn't know half of them or the parents but nobody was left out. Brothers and sisters of the four classes invited also.

    As I said it doesn't bother me but I'm not sure what to say to her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭starbaby2003


    I love David Coleman for balanced advice. Not exactly the question you have asked but some of it might be useful. https://www.independent.ie/life/family/parenting/my-daughter-is-excluded-at-school-will-this-affect-her-self-esteem-30913531.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    The problem here is that this child's mother is a complete c**t ( and I never use that word). Excluding a 8yr old from a birthday party is cruel and unnecessary. Nice people would invite all the girls at that age. There are no excuses to explain this woman's behaviour.

    Playdates and birthday parties are a headwreck. Try not to read too much into it - I know it's hard not to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    You're being paranoid tbh. We had 10+ kids at my daughter's parties before Covid. Now it's down to two kids.



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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For a parent to leave one child out is unbelievable! Does she not realise that's a form of bullying? What sort of adult bullies a child?

    If I was your wife I wouldn't be slow asking her why she is excluding and bullying your daughter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭RioM


    The same thing happened to my 8 yr old daughter two weeks ago. She was so upset and we tried to reassure her that the party was probably limited because of Covid and that if she was the only girl left out the mam didn't realise. In the end a lot of other girls didn't go so it probably wasn't just our daughter being excluded. Small play dates are back now. I know we are due to organise one! Still I like to hear when other members of the group invite a different mix as I hate that someone's left out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    I wouldn't mind as much if two were going but to leave one child out is disgusting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    Jesus op that’s really ****. My 8 year old has 3 other lads in his class. One of them is a right sh1t. But they’ll all get invited along with a few cousins and kids of a few other adults we know.

    my wife’s a teacher…you’d be surprised how common this lark is. It’s just awful for the little kids who're excluded. I’d agree with the poster who said it’s a form of bullying. Some parents can be completely clueless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,439 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    OP.. don't jump the gun just yet. You say the other child told your daughter the other girls were all invited but don't take an 8 year old child's word as gospel. Wait and see tomorrow.

    If it transpires your daughter was in fact the only girl excluded then that's sh1t alright especially if it's a small class.

    I always made sure invite all the boys in my son's small class even though some friendships were stronger than others.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Not a big deal. Dont be worrying.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "it would appear she is the only girl not going" - so you're not sure?

    This notion that every child must be invited to every party, (and their siblings!) is ridiculous, and as far as I can see, only something that has came about in the last ten years or so.

    What if there were 15 girls in the class? Would the mother then be expected to invite them all?

    And if all the girls are invited, does that make it okay to exclude the boys?

    The parents decide the numbers, and who is invited. That's life. In my day, you invited your child's friends (not the whole class) and after that it was family and family friends.

    Far better to teach your daughter that sometimes life comes with little disappointments like these, and not to take it personally. I'll stand to her well when she is older.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Thanks for your comment. If there was 15 would it be fair to invite 14?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Yes if there were 15 girls in my daughter's class I would invite the 15 girls. Excluding 1 girl is disgusting behaviour - they're 8 year old kids remember.

    I agree with you that it is the parents decision who is invited and this is what makes the exclusion of 1 child unacceptable. Most 8 year olds are not malice - disagreements are very short lived at that age - I have kids of a similar age. I find it hard to believe that this woman's child didn't want the ops child at her party - it's her mother that didn't want the child there for whatever stupid reason. As someone mentioned earlier this is bullying. Situations like this arise due to the parents view of the child/childs family ( usually a very selfish view)and usually the children concerned get along well.

    Op I would mention to this woman ( quietly and calmly) that your child was very upset to be excluded. Yes I would make her feel guilty because making a child question themselves is very wrong.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're welcome.

    This is what happens when parents are more offended on behalf of their kids, than the actual kids are themselves, and is what this kind of nonsense thinking that "all or nothing" has led too.

    If you didn't make a big deal out of it, your kid would learn not to think of it as a big deal.

    Calling it bullying is utterly ridiculous in the extreme. Jesus wept. If this is the kind of nonsense parents are going on with nowadays, no wonder kids growing up with no resilience.

    You can disagree with me, but it doesn't make it less true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭SuperS54


    So 4 out of 7 went to a party last month which mean almost half the girls in the class didn't go, including your daughter. The latest party sees 4 girls going, are they the same as last months, i.e. a "payback" invitation? Is your daughter close friends with either of the birthday girls? What age are we talking about here?

    I wouldn't sweat it, in fact a humbug like me would be grateful that I don't have to pay for 6 extra birthday presents during the year and that I don't have to have 6 extra screaming kids in the house at least once a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭lalababa


    And in my day/working class/countryfolk there was no real party ...just the immediate family for a cake and a 'happy birthday to you'. Over and done with. I suspect this child's birthday party lark is something that came from good auld USA, and it has grown legs...like the baby shower shite.

    But we live in these times and we have to conform..tis nearly as bad now as when the Catholic Church was at the helm.

    My inlaws didn't push communion on their eldest but they realised that she was 'left out '..so the second child got communion, just to not be different.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just want to say that social exclusion is a type of bullying. If one child is left out, that is not acceptable. It is a form of bullying in the workplace also, so if it is bullying behaviour to do it to an adult, imagine doing it to a child!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yet it's okay to exclude half the class based on their gender?

    Ya, ok. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,433 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    But if you are excluding all the boys no boy feels left out. There is a big difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    My granddaughter (just turned 5, in school and after school childcare) and grandson (just turned 4, in childcare) both recently had separate parties, they were both asked who they wanted to bring to their party. We made a list of kids names for each. We don’t know who is in every class. The creche pick up from school and bring to childcare and parents are still not allowed into rooms. So if it’s bullying to exclude some, who is doing the bullying, the parents or the kids choosing who they want at the party?

    If any child was left out, we would not be aware. Are you suggesting we go to school and creche and ask the names of everyone in their classes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭NSAman




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    So do you think girls only interact with other girls in their classroom, and never with any of the boys who may feel left out? My daughter's best friend in school was a boy.

    Should I have excluded this boy from her parties, or included just him, alongside all 13 of the other girls (only 3 of whom she ever played with regularly) and then maybe 13 other boys so that the one boy invited didn't feel like the odd one out, and that none of the other boys felt excluded? So that's 23 children invited, who aren't even really friends.

    If you can't see how ridiculous that is, I don't know what else to say to you. You can't please everyone, all of the time, and nor should you have to.

    Not to mention what having whole classes - or even 15 kids over, (excluding relations) is like, and then if you have more than one child, multiply that by each of their birthdays, every year.

    This is why I say invite your child's friends - and leave the rest of the parents off to bitch about you at the school gate or post internet threads on how you're "bullying" their precious little snowflake.

    The only other thing I will say is - a big part of this problem arises if schools allow party invitations to be passed around in the classroom. My daughter's school did not allow invitations to be handed out in the classroom. Parents talked to other parents directly, or sent a text.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I can think of plenty of things that would be more worthy of being outraged by than this.

    The child will probably feed off their parents reaction in a case like this. I wouldn't make a big deal out of it or dwell on it. I wouldn't want my child's worth to feel dependant on what others think of them or what others include them in. As long as the child is secure in themselves and can stand on their own two feet that's fine.

    Some of the comments are a bit dramatic. There'd be worse stuff than that to deal with rearing kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec



    I know girls interact with boys - in this case maybe invite half the girls and half the boys. Excluding 1 girl or girl is wrong wrong wrong.

    But this child does appear to be a friend of the birthday girl - the mothers are also friendly and they are next door neighbours. So you think this mother was correct in excluding 1 girl who her daughter is friendly with. You think it is right that an 8 year old is left wondering why she wasnt invited and why she was treated differently. You think it is right that an 8 year old will go to school tomorrow and have to listen to the other girls talk about the great time they had at the party. I think its invite all or have no party at that age - its as simple as that.

    This is bullying and can cause issues - I know of children that develop a hate for school because of exclusion.

    I am flabbergasted that you think it is ok to exclude an 8 year child - completely shocked that an adult thinks that this is ok.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    So who do you decide who gets to go and who doesn't? Do you draw names out of a hat? Draw straws?

    How do you explain to those who don't make the final cut - "sorry, you're not on the list?"

    Stop being so dramatic. You're making mountains out of molehills - not a great example to set to your child.

    A birthday party is about the birthday child - not about every other child in their class.

    Pure nonsense.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The reason your school did not allow invites in the classroom is because excluding one child is bullying!

    If a private party is held for your child and invites are by private invitation directly to parents, then it cannot be bullying. Any school will tell you.

    You can invite anyone you like to your house, you don't need to have everyone there. your child inviting everyone but one other, is exclusion, which is bullying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    You obviously have no compassion or understanding of kids. No I wouldnt pick straws or pick names out of a hat - I would invite all the girls simple as that.

    Can you please answer the question I asked you - Do you think it was right for this mother to exclude 1 girl?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    No, they did not allow it because of parents being drama queens and dragging their personal gripes into the school.

    I was on the Parents Association when the decision was made.

    Parties and playdates outside school, are not the school's business.

    (eta) they also did it so that parents who could not afford birthday presents for this, that or the other child every other weekend wouldn't feel under pressure. Or feel under pressure themselves to throw the big "every child in the class" parties they couldn't afford, for their own kids.

    Like I said, some might have 2 or 3 kids in different classes and so the problem multiplies. I know kids who never had a birthday party because their parents felt pressure to invite all, and couldn't afford that.

    You might want to dwell on that angle, for a bit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    My kids school provide a birthday list if you request it - this lists all the kids names in the class and the parents contact details. Parents can opt not to have their name or their kids names on the list if they wish. Invites are not allowed to be given in school. Playdate and birthday invites are sent by text/whats app to parents.

    The school actually advises for birthday parties to invite the whole class or all the girls/all the boys depending on gender. This avoids children feeling left out. Im lucky in that all parents follow the rules.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    And you're obviously a drama queen who thinks the world should revolve around your child (even another child's birthday) and that its okay to segregate by gender.

    I'm flabbergasted that any school would advise segregating children in this manner.

    To answer the question you asked - we do not know as fact that only one girl was not invited.

    But, if she was, then I'm sure the mother had their reasons.

    In my view, it was up to her who to invite or not to her child's party, and yes, I'm okay with that.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't need to dwell on the angle thanks😂

    I think you will find that the school would have implemented no invites at school anyway, if the parents did not. Because it stops any bullying incidents that the school have to deal with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    No I'm not a drama queen. I'm just a mother who doesn't like to see a young child suffering from being excluded.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why not? Because you never actually thought about that angle before?

    Do you have kids yourself, Bubblypop?



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    I disagree. Your posts here are fairly dramatic.

    Like I said, if parents didn't make such a big fuss about this, their kids wouldn't either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Let's hope your right and this little girl still feels included in her group of friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    OP here. There is no way to know for sure who went and who didn't. We can only go by the information our daughter gave us and the text we received trying to justify not inviting our daughter after she had made a card for the birthday girl.

    We are not going to dwell on it but it may may affect decisions in the future if we hold any gatherings.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "I wouldn't want my child's worth to feel dependant on what others think of them or what others include them in".

    Well said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,559 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Covid is no fu**ing excuse.

    Same yokes will be front and centre signalling about mental health and every other social media social justice campaign when there's virtue points on offer but they've no issue whatsoever excluding little children when it suits..

    See it all the time. Hypocrites.

    There's no way that seven girls couldn't all be catered for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The school actually advises for birthday parties to invite the whole class or all the girls/all the boys depending on gender

    This is mind blowing. Unless it's a tiny rural school, you're talking about anywhere from 15 to 30 kids before you've invited a single cousin, neighbour or parents' friends' kid. And your child probably isn't friends with half of them.

    That seems beyond credible tbh and even less credible that everyone follows it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Yes it is a rural school although there are 24 kids in one of my daughter's classes. Frequently there are parties with all the kids invited but I guess in towns/cities with smaller houses and gardens this would be a problem. Alot of families use play centres for parties nowadays aswell. Most people wouldn't invite cousins or neighbours to a party with the class. I would always have a separate party for family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,218 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think lots of schools encourage people to invite everybody to parties now.

    However lots don't stick to this. People who have smaller parties or exclude people generally keep it private or do their best to.

    I think the big parties work fine up until about 2nd class but then they sort of get forgotten about.

    I've known of kids who wouldn't have a party because they felt they had to invite there bully to it. Similarly you'd hear of kids being excluded.

    Also kids can through phases.

    The other girls have some issue with your daughters.

    Your daughter could be bullied.

    I think you need to talk to the teacher if you have concerns.

    Also, I'd look at getting her involved in nine school activities to make new friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    For my daughters birthday party a few weeks ago I asked who she wanted to invite, and invited those people. If she left somebody out and they're annoyed by that, they can leave her out for their party. That's life, and I want her to learn that you can't please everybody and sometimes somebody won't be pleased with her. Life is about hard decisions, and you won't always be included in everything because society has a sense of fairness.

    What happens if I make her invite somebody her and friends don't get along with, for whatever reason? When they come to her party do I make her play with the person who they don't get along with, I can't make her friends do it because they're not my kids, so I exclude my daughter from her own party effectively?

    There's birthday parties my daughter isn't invited to, maybe those kids don't along with her, maybe they have different interests, maybe they just don't like her, maybe its Covid. But who is invited to a private party is really none of my business, and if my daughter is sad not to go, obviously I'd be sad for her, but asking anybody else to justify who they invite to a private party in their own home seems outrageous to me, and if somebody did it to me they'd have to carefully choose how to broach the subject to avoid me getting very defensive and telling them where to go.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not every family can afford a play centre party for 15 to 30 children, and then a separate party for family as well, just to ensure some kids don't feel left out.

    And if parents are doing this, then their common sense has truly flown out the window.



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