Covid booster efficacy wanes substantially by fourth month - Study

The vast majority of people will be exposed to Omicron in the next few months, so it's a moot point.

Boosters for the medically compromised and elderly are advisable.

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Booster time

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Whatever about the study it's not the first time the decline of efficacy in vaccines has been mooted. TBH we do need to get past this flow of papers on vaccine efficacy as some of them seem to be just looking to be published for the sake of it. We are moving into the treatment development phase anyway.

Isn't that down to someone with an immuno compromised condition? The normal course is then 3 shots + booster.

As far as I know it was based on the fact that she is on systemic steroids

He's wrong about what the study predicted or he's wrong to report it?

Where do ye get this stuff from. I listen to luke o Neill and he always phrases things in terms of what the research says. If he talks about research that says X, and X turns out not to be the case, then Luke O Neill didn't get his fingers burned.

the poster above made the mistake of thinking he said the booster will last us for 3 years. In actual fact he said one rtudy predicted the booster will last us 2-3 years. He just reports the research, but I don't think people really listen.

He did the same thing back then as he does now. He reads the research and tells the audience about it. He doesn't give much personal opinion. Hes not making guarantees about what will happen, he just reports the research.

Ah right. So you've gotten it all wrong there. He said those things gs but you left out that he was reporting what recent studies have said

So did you deliberately misrepresent those things or did you just not understand that he wasn't offering opinions or giving guarantees about what would happen, he was just reporting the research?

For example, he said that "you won't need to get boosters in the future, is one prediction. They're predicting that you'll be alright for 2 to 3 years". Clearly reporting what one study said and not pretending it's an opinion or a guarantee about the future.

Did you even know you were misrepresent what he said?

Whose the mug? LON for reporting the research? You for misunderstanding what he said or me for pointing it out?

If you can think of answers to any of the questions I asked in the last post, be sure to let me know.

Ah. You've made another mistake - they're really piling up. He wasn't making predictions, he reproted a study which made predictions. Of course he's gushing about the study. If it turns out to be accurate then it was great news for all of us. But he was just reporting what they said, NOT "making predictions" of his own, as you suggested.

I suppose it depends on how much you know about science. I follow various science news a fair bit so I hear a reporter reporting on one study and I say "oh. That's interesting, I wonder if it will turn out to be true or not because it would be exciting if its true". You seem to have heard him reporting a study and mistakenly heard HIM make a prediction.

I'd ask you of you think LON personally made a prediction in the clip above but I've asked you a few questions in the posts before this and you haven't appeared able to respond to any of them so far. But if you could answer that one, it would clear up a lot.

And for the last few decades if you were paying attention back then, but there have been a lot of reports of various breakthroughs in the last year or 2. It's a complicated process and there will be numerous breakthroughs in the coming years and it is still decades off being in commercial use, if ever. But what do you want? Would you prefer nobody ever reports on the breakthroughs until the technology is ready to use, or do you want to hear about the breakthroughs even though the technology won't be in commercial use for decades?

I suppose this is the same as this issue Some people can hear a report of a breakthrough in fusion technology and also read all the way to the end of the article where they say fusion technology is still decades away. Other people read the headline and then think they've been short changed when the technology isn't online in the neat future. Likewise, some people listen to the LON interview linked above and hear what he actually said and know he's reporting new research and reporting their predictions. Others listen to it half-arsed and think he's making a prediction so he's an eejit if it doesn't turn out to be true. Depends on how well you can listen and understand what you're being told.

Ah, I picked you up wrong. I thought you were giving out that there were supposed breakthroughs but it's still decades away.

Interesting to see Sweden not follow the EMA here (unless I've missed an EMA approval?), is there a spike of elderly deaths they're aimed at reducing? I've predicted an annual booster, hopefully (based on SARS-COV2 not being as impactful) being aimed at older more vulnerable age groups likely voluntary for all. Sweden seem to have a "choose your own pandemic" thing going on, will the "be like Sweden" crowd want to follow them with a 4th shot so soon?

Fourth doses for immunocompromised , or for those considered immunocompromised by their treating doctor due to conditions and/ or medications eg.some diabetics and asthmatics, being rolled out now . Those people are getting texts from HSE that they need to get their booster dose 3 months after their additional dose or after recovering from Covid .

This is not unexpected tbh , except the " post recovery " shot . I would have thought that that would have been considered an extra boost in itself but appears they're taking no chances with this group .

I'd imagine that we won't really know until next winter arrives. If we can get through the winter without restrictions then hopefully we're in the clear. I'd say there's a good chance they'll want us to take a booster to be prepared and try to avoid any restrictions even if a new variant arises again this winter.

But it's all guesswork at this stage. Anyone who tells you what WILL happen, is just overestimating their knowledge and probably wishful thinking. Everyone else hopes that the virus gets weaker (or is effectively weaker against a vaccinated population), well just have to wait and see if that actually happens. With a bit of luck, it does happen and there will be no need for restrictions this winter or ever again.

Honestly, I've no idea what that means. What does it mean?

Would you like to try answering my question?