Kurt Zouma thinks it's funny to use a cat as a football

2021 we shipped 0 calves to Libya

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ethicalfarmie/status/1370351292363722752

Kick a cow and see how long you last in that field.

That’s some stretch of the imagination to go from a domestic cat to pointing the finger at the entire dairy industry.

have you announced your conversion to veganism yet ?

As you can see the vast majority exported are calves. Ok none of them went to Libya in 2021 if you say so. But you think mass exporting of calves abroad on boats is ok? But yes Irish farming is 100% cruelty free.

How did that thread go from someone abusing their pet in front of their child and recording it to this vegan crap?

Serious question - where is the connection?

I didn't see anyone mention vegan diets did you? People are calling out the hypocrisy of how animals are treated in Ireland, the ones on your plate, and the fact that people are up in arms over someone kicking a cat. Can you not see why people might point out that contradiction?

ALL the millions of pigs in Ireland bar a few farms never see the light of day and live in horrible cramped conditions. There is plenty of evidence out there for this.

So no one mentioned diets but its about what people have on their plates and animals. Right got that.

Of course people "are up in arms over someone kicking a cat" for laughs and filming it especially where that person is a public figure. I believe the main topic under discussion was whether the response to what he did was proportionate before the whole truck was steered off the rails.

He said veganism, not general diets. Did I once mention that people shouldn't eat meat?

Just because you managed to pick out a zero figure, doesn't zero all the other lives sent to all the other countries (including Libya and including this year). It's disingenuous to refer to comment as misinformation when the comment was totally valid and try portray your own figure as standard when it's anything but.

You've also failed to respond to any of the previous questions posed to you and failed to give any evidence supporting your claim that what I've posted is spoof or bizarre.

I understand it must be difficult to accept that the very industry that affords your own manner of making a living, which you may have been born into and see yourself as having no other option other than continuing with, is one built off of exploitation of sentient beings who want to live lives free of exploitation and harm, just as any of us do. Here's hoping the government can put plans in place to assist anyone wanting to step away from exploiting animals and make better use of their land with relevant and helpful subsidies and resources.

Folks just to clarify, veganism is a philosophy built off the principle that it's wrong to cause harm where harm isn't necessary (which I'm sure probably most people here agree with), and choosing to live a lifestyle that reflects this principle by minimising the harm caused to others. It extends beyond non human animals too. It's not a diet but as the animal agriculture industry is one of such immense suffering and because what most people eat is so focused around animals with almost every meal, every day of our lives, and because eating is such an essential activity for us, veganism is often misconstrued to be just about diet. It goes far beyond diet.

Vegans would also aim to not buy from sources who are knowingly exploiting humans. Unfortunately it's not easy to tell what kind of working conditions people had to endure behind the plant foods we buy. There's websites like https://foodispower.org/ which can allow for more informed choices. When it comes to animal products however, when you buy these, you know for sure an animal was exploited/killed for that product so it's easy to choose not to support these. Also slaughterhouses are not only going to have all the same issues with exploitation, terrible pay and conditions, but they are also at a far higher risk of mental health issues and disease.

With regards to something being socially acceptable, slavery was once socially acceptable, so was the fact that women couldn't vote, as well as many other things from the past we now see as injustices. Just because something is legal or socially acceptable, doesn't mean it's morally so.

Animal cruelty laws are themselves hypocritical. Read the list I posted above and ask yourself would you like to experience any of it. All practices are completely legal both in Ireland and the UK. Again, legality does not equal morality.

We're talking about laws surrounding the use of animals here. Welfare is basically a nice way to treat somebody while exploiting that somebody. Rights would allow that somebody to live free from exploitation.

You, along with most other people here, probably agree with the basic moral principle that it's wrong to cause harm where harm isn't necessary. As more people question how their actions align to their principles and change their actions accordingly, society will gradually progresses and evolve to reflect this. This has already begun and is gaining momentum with regards to animal rights, so it's far bigger than one person's take on morality :)

As has been pointed out to you umpteen times, the kicking of a cat has zero connection with your argument about the dairy industry. You saw the word animal and decided this is an argument worth having about the dairy industry. You might has well have had a complaint about French cooking for all the relevance it has, who by the way have fabulous beef recipes.

Lol. No one is 'fierce angry" is that actually a thing? 😅 The fact that Zouma's treatment of the cat was sadistic has already been well established. But maybe you don't really agree. And with that discussion, cruelty found in the pet industry would certainly be part of the discussion. Extremely odd that this ignored and instead there are some bizarrely directing their 'selective outage' as you call it, at farming and calling others 'hypocrites' or wtte

Eitherway if I want to find out about farming I'm certainly it won't be from the bizarre comments on agriculture in this thread. And yes I know how to use Google thanks. You apparently don't seem to understand the basic facts that animal cruelty is against the law and so is the kicking any animal. Throwing whatever version of whataboutery into the mix doesn't help the feigned outage.

I reckon most people have had enough of that.

"So you think what was done to Zouma's cat was sadistic but don't want to hear about cruelty to animals in the dairy industry."

Well I definitely don't want to hear it any more.

If I wanted to I would go to the thread about dairy industry.

Best regards.

^^ this.

It's not alike at all. A thread on animal abuse in agriculture will be focused on animals that are seen as commodities and of no value other than what can be yielded from them in terms of profit or products. Anyone against animal abuse to animals who are seen this way, will also be against abuse to animals who are seen as pets, part of the family, deserving of rights and everything else a cat is. They also won't be contributing to the abuse and exploitation of cats when they buy products to eat. Most people here are against harm to a cat and at the same time pay for harm to be caused to other animals, so there's a big disconnect there.

I'm only asking you to back up your claims and answer a simple question of whether you think it's wrong to cause harm where harm isn't necessary.

You don't need to kill an animal for food, that's the point, there is an abundance of plant foods available to nourish our bodies so the killing itself is unnecessary in the first place.