Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Nope, i'm questioning the posters assertion that all invasions are illegal.

@Shao Kahn you Been to Ukraine ...

Yeah right .

Probably never left mammies back room.

But Ukraine isn't getting broke up anytime soon ,no matter what claim you and others make up

Every country has ministry of defense.....

You seem to confuse me with someone else, I've made no defence of Putin here or anywhere for that matter, I'm well aware of his crimes. I've systematically called out the rank hypocrisy of US/UK imperialism and their faux concern for democracy, sovereignty and human rights. It's far from whataboutery but I dare say you know that.

The US is in a league of its own in terms of direct and proxy interventions to destabilise or unseat governments who don't toe the line. They've been directly involved in some of the worst atrocities of the 21st century thus far so away with your sanctimony and perhaps get an education.

On what planet did the Russians not think that? Talk about misreading a situation....but then most of the pro Western Imperialism posters here have been so consumed by the West's propaganda they can't see the wood for the trees, I made that point weeks ago!

Had to laugh at Putin bringing up human rights violations, what a troll.

Lets assume what you're saying is true, are you happy about it? Do you believe it is justified? Why should a country not be free to associate with whomever they choose? How is it justified that one country with greater might can dominate and bully another?

And if we live in this might is right world, then why hasn't the us invaded and crushed Russia with combined airforce, navy and ground forces? Why didn't they do it in the 90's when the russians were in complete dissarray? Russia is not a real competitor, it has an economy the size of Texas, it has good military capabilities but nothing compared to the US or even the Chinese. It has nuclear deterrent but I don't believe they would deploy it short of Moscow being under seige.

"Rules Based Order" is but a thin veneer in geopolitics. Might really does make right and the US knows this better than anyone.

The US would not confront Russia militarily for the same reasons they won't against any nuclear capable country.

Like what countries

Not really, it's equally as galling when they point this out considering the past (and current) behaviours of their governments. The difference being is that there is no evidence of human rights abuses by the Ukrainians where there have been countless, evident abuses within the Russian state (killing journalists, political opponents, oppression of homosexuals, oppression of minorities. The list goes on).

It'd be like Boris giving out about human rights abuses by the Irish for always asking "are the Brits at it?" while at the same time doing everything in his power to cover up Bloody Sunday and protect those responsible.

You do understand nuance, don't you?

What exactly happened was that Western powers funded the revolution which caused the overthrow of Pro Russian President Victor Yanukovich.

then the western powers provided huge amount of money to U?kranian senators to vote for them to join EU.

For al lactions there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Then Russian invaded Crimea causing instability.

Currently, nothing is going to happen. Russia won't invade, Ukrain wont join EU or NATO. Russia will benefit from this by getting all sanctions on them lifted.

@eskimohunt This is why Putin won't invade, and never was going to invade, Ukraine.

As awful as their actions are, I think it's a combination of being made to look serious about their own back yard, whilst making a fool of the West by over-reacting into believing something may actually happen.

Putin hasn't gone away nither has the 130,000 Russian troops surrounding ukraine,if you think this is settled your mistaken,

The west didn't overeact if anything they have called Putins bluff publicly ,he's gained nothing Ukraine is going to Join the EU and now more than likely will apply to join nato,

Do you honestly think putin just burned tens of millions to say haha made you look,

Russian troops in Ukraine .....

KYIV (Reuters) - Russia's military increased inspections of units in rebel-held parts of Ukraine since the end of last week, the Interfax Ukraine news agency said on Tuesday, quoting a Ukrainian military intelligence report.

The report said "senior bodies of Russia's military command" have been inspecting rebel units and their ability to attain the highest combat readiness "with marches to certain training areas and their staffing."

Why would Russia give a damn if the west thinks they're in the right or the wrong on this?

You only have to look at the actions of western powers in this century alone, to see that nobody needs to be paying much heed to what we consider to be "right" or "wrong". Our opinion clearly holds very little weight with them, and quite rightly too.

We have a very arrogant view in this part of the world, about what other regions should and shouldn't be doing with their affairs. Not to mention truck loads of hypocrisy to throw into the mix.

Leave eastern europe to look after eastern europe.

The west should focus on fixing their own broken nations. (not least the yanks of course)

Alright, fair enough.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/UKRAINE-2020-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf

"Civilian authorities generally maintained effective control over security forces in the territory controlled by the government. Members of the security forces committed some abuses." Is the pretext to that. So, let's break it down.

"unlawful or arbitrary killing; torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of detainees by law enforcement personnel; harsh and life-threatening conditions in prisons and detention centers; arbitrary arrest or detention; serious problems with the independence of the judiciary;" War crimes by Ukrainian military? Certainly looks like it, and they should certainly be held accountable and probably would be if they were to join the EU or NATO, it would be part of the due diligence process. What would happen to those responsible under a Russian regime?

Let's see.

"abuses in the Russia-led conflict in the Donbas, including physical abuse of civilians and members of armed groups held in detention facilities; serious restrictions on free expression, the press, and the internet, including violence, threats of violence, or unjustified arrests or prosecutions against journalists, censorship, and blocking of websites; refoulement of refugees; serious acts of corruption; lack of investigation of and accountability for violence against women; violence or threats of violence motivated by antiSemitism; crimes involving violence or threats of violence targeting persons with disabilities, members of ethnic minority groups, and lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or intersex persons; and the existence of the worst forms of child labor. "

Holy ****, I mean what the Ukrainians were up to was bad, war crimes no doubt and definitely human rights abuses. However, looking at that I don't see any kind of due process being applied under Russian rule. Do you?

Ok, let's keep going.

"The government generally failed to take adequate steps to prosecute or punish most officials who committed abuses, resulting in a climate of impunity. Human rights groups and the United Nations noted significant deficiencies in investigations into alleged human rights abuses committed by government security forces."

Well, that's not good and as I mentioned above, remediating this shitshow and following due process would have to happen before any EU/NATO membership is considered.

"In the Russia-instigated and -fueled conflict in the Donbas region, Russia-led forces reportedly engaged in unlawful or arbitrary killings of civilians, including extrajudicial killings; forced disappearances and abductions; torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment. Other significant human rights issues included: harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; arbitrary arrest or detention; political prisoners or detainees; serious problems with the independence of the judiciary; serious restrictions on free expression, the press, and the internet; substantial interference with the freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association; severe restrictions of religious freedom; serious restrictions on freedom of movement across the line of contact in eastern Ukraine; restrictions on political participation, including unelected governments and elections that were not genuine, free, or fair; and unduly restricted humanitarian aid. "

AND

"Significant human rights issues in Russia-occupied Crimea included: forced disappearances and abductions; torture and cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of detainees to extract confessions and punish persons resisting the occupation; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; arbitrary arrest or detention; political prisoners or detainees; serious problems with the independence of the judiciary; arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy; serious restrictions on free expression, the press, and the internet, including violence, threats of violence, or unjustified arrests or prosecutions against journalists, censorship, and site blocking; substantial interference with freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association; severe restrictions of religious freedom; serious restrictions on freedom of movement; restrictions on political participation, including unelected governments and elections that were not genuine, free, or fair; and crimes involving violence or threats of violence targeting lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or intersex persons. Russian occupation authorities in Crimea reportedly continued to engage in widespread violence against and harassment of Crimean Tatars and pro-Ukrainian activists in response to peaceful opposition to Russian occupation."

So, in response to the original post. Yes, totally LOL at Putin complaining about human rights abuses. Maybe I was being facetious with the Boris response, but in reality Putin has about as much of a point of complaint as the likes of the US or UK considering they do the same. It doesn't mean it's not happening. It does mean they're ignoring their own bullshit.