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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy



    They'd believe it if a coked up Donnie Jr said it in one of his unhinged videos though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Celticfire


    So it's gone from 14 plus boxes of confidential and sensitive document to they don't have to be confidential.

    Ditto.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Just pointing out yet another crime to be added to Donnie's long list.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,645 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'm taking the fact that Donald Trump Senior, Donald Trump Jnr and Eric Trump have all spoken publicly or released statements in recent days and none of them refuted the claims whatsoever as a pretty strong indictment that everything said about the boxes and their contents is 100% true.

    You can relax, there's been no shortage of instances throughout his life where Donald behaved completely inappropriately if not outright illegally and yet he rarely has been adequately held accountable for his actions.

    That is likely to continue despite the revelations about these documents or the breaking news around his worthless financial submittals so all his worshippers can console themselves with that reality while the rest of us hope that it all comes crashing down around him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,766 ✭✭✭✭banie01




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That pretty much the core of the case being presented against him.

    He submitted financial statements to inflate the value of holdings to secure loans and then turned around and submitted "other valuations" that were much lower to get favourable property tax treatment.

    The article I posted earlier talks about one of the ways that Trump did this - He'd use an "Accountants Compilation report" . These are not "audited accounts" in the way that most people might think.

    Basically , Trump would write down a bunch of numbers and the accountant verifies that those are the numbers that Trump gave them - They don't check to see if the numbers are true at all.

    tl;dr - Trump writes a note that says "I'm worth $10 Billion" and the accountant signs it saying "I can confirm that Mr. Trump told me he was worth $10 billion"

    Now though Mazars are saying "based on what we now know , we no can no longer stand over these statements" - Which is weasel speak for "We've always known he was a lying crook but we were happy to take his money , but we've now been shown the paper trail from the AG so we are bailing out ASAP to avoid losing our licence to practice in the state of NY"

    This is VERY bad news for Trumps businesses , very bad news indeed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,766 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    This.

    The most basic of premise here is that the Long Island accountant was presented with a set of figures from Trump that he signed off on as "being correct"

    There were no audited figures. The weight of the Mazars name attached to the documents that came back, had the effect of passing off the report produced as an audit.

    Mazars should have nixed the practice a long time ago. However, their going on record in the matter they have has thrown the Trump Org under a bus. This may end up being the most interesting corporate enforcement for accounting since Enron.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,442 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    This is box office



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,728 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'm guessing it'll also greatly hamper any future attempts at doing the same thing, as other similar companies will be much more hesitant to get involved. So yes, it's a very bad thing for the Trump Org.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    One would assume that they will not be able to get any new funding without having valid accounts.

    It might impact current funding too - If you loaned someone money on the basis of paperwork showing XYZ in assets and now that paperwork is junk , any reasonable institution would have to be going back and seeing if they have the ability to default the loan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,766 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'd guess that there are at very least veracity and/or moral hazard clauses on the commercial loans the Trump Org has in play. Those clauses could we'll leave loans subject to immediate recall.

    Where it would become very interesting IMO? Is if any of that debt has been securitized. Suddenly not only is the Trump Org on the hook for fraud but the Banks that securitized and sold the packaged debt would be liable for further perpetuating a fraud.

    Now I don't know how Trump's banks are packaging their commercial paper. It may be debt or bond funded or it may fully securitized. The issue will be if it's funded by anything other than bank funds? Any prospectus that issued will have given a risk profile for those debts based upon garbage reports. The bank's now carry the can for their own lack of diligence.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    In other news , looks like the reality of what the Durham report is saying is quite different to what Fox News have been shouting about for the last few days.

    So - There are no new indictments being sought , there has just been a bit of an amendment to the Sussman charges.

    Fox et al have claimed that the charges show "that lawyers for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign "paid a technology company to 'infiltrate' servers belonging to Trump Tower, and later the White House, in order to establish an 'inference' and 'narrative' to bring to government agencies linking Donald Trump to Russia.

    Except , that's not what it says - At all.

    The word Infiltrate never appears anywhere , nor does any mention of anyone , Clinton campaign or otherwise paying for the work or ordering it to be sent to the FBI.

    The "source" for infiltration storyline?

    Not Durham , but the one and only Kash Patel author of the infamous "Nunes Memo"

    Once again , a whole lot of misinterpretation and extrapolation leading to a story that is completely untrue , but shouted from on high on the right , with Trump calling for the death penalty for those involved a call that has been echoed by Jim Jordan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,539 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, the short version: There's still no Durham report, and this latest indictment has nothing to do with 'espionage.'


    The foxbots like Boxy who regurgitate this nonsense need to cop on a bit; if you think the President of the US was being spied on, well, I doubt you'd find out about it on Fox news and there's this little organization called the NSA who worry about those things. Do you seriously believe you'd learn about it on Fox or Facebook?


    And, for those having trouble understanding what's up with the documents shipped to Mar A Lago:

    1. Why were they shipped at all?
    2. Were the shippers secure?
    3. The Archives think there were confidential documents there. That's B A D. Not e-mails that failed to have the confidential signature on them. Documents that the cleaning staff could look at. Documents described as 'laying around' in Mar A Lago, which has a history of being infiltrated and visited by dodgy sorts like Lev Parnas and convicted felon Igor Fruman: https://theweek.com/speedreads/892721/theres-another-video-fruman-parnas-hanging-trump-time-maralago. And the 'Chinese businesswoman' who was convicted of trespass and will be deported: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/chinese-trespasser-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-resort-sentenced.html TBF the latter wasn't charged with Espionage, but she's going to be expelled

    The whole 'mar a lago' thing is ridiculous. Southern white house...what a crock. Not secure, easily infiltrated, poorly run. Trump might as well have had the constitution printed on the toilet paper there as much as he crapped on it by holding meetings there and clowning for diplomats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You mean Fox has been spreading propaganda to influence Trump supporting fools?

    Please say it isn't so. 😲



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Celticfire


    ....In fact, the defendant had assembled and conveyed the allegations to the FBI on behalf of at least two specific clients, including (i) a technology executive (“Tech Executive-1”) at a U.S.-based Internet company (“Internet Company1”), and (ii) the Clinton Campaign. 3.


    Indeed the word infiltrate is not in the indictment but the phrase "... associates exploited was domain name system (“DNS”)" is. I'm not overly tech savvy but the very first result on DNS exploits throws up this.

    A DNS Exploit is a vulnerability in the domain name system (DNS) through which an attacker can infiltrate a network.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Hoop66




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,539 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    A handy analysis by the author and a tweet from George Conway interpreting what Mazar's letter said: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-14-2022

    Excerpt (Conway's tweet quoting Mazar's letter):

    “‘decision regarding the financial…statements’=they are false because you lied

    ‘totality of the circumstances’=the D.A. is serious 

    ‘non-waivable conflict of interest’=we are now on team D.A.

    ‘not able to provide new work product’=sorry we’re not going to jail for you”


    In addition. Conway's tweeted that Mazar's has probably turned over more than .5 million documents to the AG: https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1493371637600858112



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    DNS traffic records are not confidential. There was no infiltration or spying. But easy for Fox to deliberately manipulate tech illiterate Americans. How are you falling for this rubbish?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    White house servers are most certainly confidential.. You don't think traffic in the white house goes out over a public WAN do you ? lol



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Please highlight the section in Durham's filing where he states white house servers were hacked?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Yes. The Durham report alleges Trumps computers were spied on twice- Trump tower and The White House. It is a criminal offence to monitor traffic on a priviate network.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,387 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Trump used his private personal phone frequently and refused to get his 'armoured' government issued device, how 'Internet safe' do you think he is?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭Cody montana




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    Those are an interesting couple of points there, one that the information Sussman supplied was correct so who cares and the second the Danchenko information again was correct, so who cares. Wasn’t Nixon just trying to steal real information from the DNC too?

    The fact that a rumour overheard by one person sometime drunkenly a party can became headline news for years should really cause one to ask questions. Or that the Steele dossier that rumour originated from was funded by the DNC. The process of verifying information went out the window.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/steele-dossier-analyst-arrested-igor-danchenko-1253151/



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,539 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Here's a relevant quote from the NY times article debunking all the noise from the GQP and the clapping seals here:

    The conservative media also skewed what the filing said. For example, Mr. Durham’s filing never used the word “infiltrate.” And it never claimed that Mr. Joffe’s company was being paid by the Clinton campaign.

    Most important, contrary to the reporting, the filing never said the White House data that came under scrutiny was from the Trump era. According to lawyers for David Dagon, a Georgia Institute of Technology data scientist who helped develop the Yota analysis, the data — so-called DNS logs, which are records of when computers or smartphones have prepared to communicate with servers over the internet — came from Barack Obama’s presidency.

    “What Trump and some news outlets are saying is wrong,” said Jody Westby and Mark Rasch, both lawyers for Mr. Dagon. “The cybersecurity researchers were investigating malware in the White House, not spying on the Trump campaign, and to our knowledge all of the data they used was nonprivate DNS data from before Trump took office.”

    Further:

    In a statement, a spokesperson for Mr. Joffe said that “contrary to the allegations in this recent filing,” he was apolitical, did not work for any political party, and had lawful access under a contract to work with others to analyze DNS data — including from the White House — for the purpose of hunting for security breaches or threats.

    After Russians hacked networks for the White House and Democrats in 2015 and 2016, it went on, the cybersecurity researchers were “deeply concerned” to find data suggesting Russian-made YotaPhones were in proximity to the Trump campaign and the White House, so “prepared a report of their findings, which was subsequently shared with the C.I.A.”

    A spokesman for Mr. Durham declined to comment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    66% of Democrats think Hillary should be questioned over Russia allegations up 22% source: A+ rated pollsters TIPP.

    These new allegations of espionage against Trump will ruin her chances of a 2024 run and shows just how dysfunctional the Democrats are right now. This is a great bit of news for Donald and republicans going in to midterms and beyond.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    What report? When was it published? Please post the link.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,645 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Half to laugh at the efforts to ignore what is going on with Trump and to try to spin about someone who hasn't been in politics in 6 years.

    Real eyes closed, fingers in ears type stuff.



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