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Husband has occasional cocaine benders

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  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but is the man not entitled to a night out with friends once every 2 months?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    What are you talking about you weirdo? You should take a step outside your little bubble every now and again.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    A big concern I would have is when he does return home is his condition to maybe look after his children as the o p has said she has to go to work . I suppose if he has being taking coke for 15 years he seems to have some level of control but my first point would be an issue for me .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Well you shouldn’t really be in that situation with the kids like that, that is not on in itself..

    if you are working then of course he has to have some level of responsibility.

    outside of that maybe ask him to only go out on days you don’t work?

    but judging by the sounds of it he hasn’t actually not ever come home or not being able to mind the kids the day after when you were working?



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    OP, I am really sorry to hear that. There are some employee assistance programmes for healthcare staff that offer free counselling. You do not have to go via HR. You can self-declare. It is completely confidential. Sometimes, it can be very therapeutic to hear yourself say something aloud and to work through it with somebody you trust.

    Please do not feel ashamed! Every family has its closet crammed full with skeletons. You see somebody smiling in work. But the reality is that we never know what they are going home to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,450 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    What a weird set of reactions in this thread. The OP has stated that their husband goes out hard every 2 months or so and uses cocaine. They have also said that he drinks 2-3 beers a night and more at weekend. And uses alcohol as a crutch. To those who say it's just someone going out with their friends - it clearly isn't.

    I feel for you OP, if it was me I'd be sitting your husband down and giving them their last chance. Either cut it out or move on. At some point in their lives they need to decide if they want to grow up and be a responsible adult and parent and partner, or whether they want to cling to their foolish youth...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    To the people overreacting and thinking they have the perfect family I'd guarantee plenty of your kids from teens to young adults. Your girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands ,wives, parents and even grandparents are on the bag throughout the year on more than a few occasions without your knowledge. 100%

    I'd bet my house and every cent I own on it.

    And I'd win.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Cobain


    Thank you yes EAP has been a god send for me.Hse is a tough enough place to work without my added home drama. Mixed opinions here and I'm open to hearing different views. Obviously a lot of people have no issue with cocaine. It just doesn't sit well with me.We are both late 30s there have been times when I've had to drop kids off in the morning to relatives because he hasn't come home or is in no state to look after them. I work some weekends. Definitely not exaggerating the after effects of a session; a full week recovering maybe 2 if a chest or sinus infection sets in, usually requiring antibiotics.

    That's it for now. Will mull everything over. Thank you all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    The question is not to determine whether or not his action is morally permissible. That is quite irrelevant in a way. Some will say it is, some will say it’s not. We are not going to reconcile the two sides.

    Relationships are a series of compromises. There are certain things about my partner that I love, and certain things that I despise. However, beyond these compromises are non-negotiables. These are extremely personal. I just couldn’t date a smoker. Ditto somebody who does not read books. Call me stupid, close-minded, but past experiences have taught me that I these these to be happy in a relationship. Similarly, working out or going out to the pub may be a non-negotiable must for another person. The whole purpose of the initial dating phase is to figure if they tick your boxes and don’t fulfil any of your non-negotiable criteria.

    The question that OP needs to ask is whether she can live with her partner’s behaviour. Nobody on here can answer that!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Yes, agreed exactly. And in fairness, I think that's why OP is here.

    While it might have been ok to brush under the carpet when it was rare-ish with no family, or assumed he would grow up at some stage... when there is a family to support it's a different story.


    OP, I don't think calling him an addict or not is the way to go. You could explain to him that his behaviour is no longer acceptable because of where you are in life. That he has to change his ways. If he doesn't listen, brushes you off, dismisses you as some of the similar-minded children in here are, then you know where you stand and you can at least make a decision on the next step from there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    been at similar for over 20 years , wife isn't a fan of drugs. so pretty similar to the OP. maybe my difference is my openness when i met my wife.

    I've never cheated on my wife and neither have my friends on similar benders. No idea where you got this.

    I've been around cheaters and I know this , cheaters will cheat. party time or not is irrelevant.

    Most lads on a bender (unless single and looking for women) want to get wasted and talk utter scutter. some tunes or watch the late night fight .

    But you are right on one thing - he is unlikely to change or want to. If he does it'll be cos he was nagged into it. hardly the compromise or whatever a good marriage is supposed to be.

    If he is messing up in other parts of his life cos of it - missed bills ,work issues or bad father/spouse - sure then it's problematic.

    but if it remains an occasional treat to himself . leave him be,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭anndub


    Some absolutely crazy responses in here. I think the morality police in here would collapse if they knew how many people in their inner circle dabbled in Coke. It's endemic in Ireland and a "normal" part of a night out for many more than would ever admit it.

    On a personal note I do think it's a pretty awful drug and can see exactly where you're coming from. I'm not sure what your describing is good reason to break up a marriage. You do describe having big problems with communicating around the issue of his binges though and it would greatly benefit your marriage up avail of marriage counseling where you have a "referee" to facilitate the discussion.

    I think marriage counseling is under utilised with people often thinking it's only for those in the brink of separation. Couples get stuck on issues like this all the time despite what some of the previous responses would suggest!



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Very sensible post.

    I think the OP was just looking for someone to tell her she was right and true to form that happened. Now kids are potentially going to be left without a father and some internet warriors can have a glow in their hearts that another father will suffer and kids will be more likely to have bad outcomes in life.

    Marriage guidance is an obvious response but this forum makes me sad most of the time with the skewed 1 dimensional "advice" given.

    Sorry you're going to lose your Dad kids 😢



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    OP, your husband is an addict and you are co-depenedent. The amount of denial in this thread is staggering.

    Alcohol and drugs abuse is not only causing harm to an abuser. It causes huge emotional distress to the whole family. OP, do you really want to raise your children to be Adult Children of Alcoholics (or any other Addicts)? World is tough enough without it.

    You have to choose, whose well being is more important to you: yours and your kids or your husband's. But it is only a short term choice because in a longer run choice against your husband will be for his own good as well.

    You said he won't change. The question is, if you can change. You said you set up already few ultimatum, which in fact weren't the ones because you didn't follow through. So the question is, if you can keep your word. Otherwise, he will ignore it.

    Now only you know how serious it is and how strong boundaries you have to put in place. But you have to say stop to it and introduce consequences. Without them you are right, he won't change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Once a month is a bit much. Once a year leave him at it



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My attitude to him would be you have young children, you have a responsibility to be around for them.

    The time for partying hard with your friends on the weekend was before you created a family.

    Once the babies come along, its time to put away risk taking behaviour - and every time he snorts a line he is taking a risk with his life.

    I wouldn't put up with it. It would be a dealbreaker for me. I'd tell him to stop, or its over.


    Keep an eye on your bank balance, as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    are these his friends from college/going way back?

    if he's not shagging hookers, and this a few mates getting together every so often for old times sake i dont see a huge issue cos it's gonna happen.

    i would chat to to him, not about the frequency, but the severity of these binges. sort of 'go and do it, but you better be up in the morning for cricket practice'.

    everyone still needs a life



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd be stressed out every time he went on a night out that I'd get a call at 4am to say he was in A&E - or worse. You're a nurse. I'm sure you've seen it. I wouldn't sleep a wink.

    And to be honest, if he knows how you feel, and he still walks out the door knowing the worry he is putting you under, he's being a dick.

    I couldn't imagine putting my partner through that every 2 months or so.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭houseyhouse


    My heart goes out to you OP. It’s a difficult position to be in. A few posters have commended him for being honest but it seems to me the problem is actually that he wasn’t honest for so many years and that you never had the opportunity to choose whether you were ok with his drug use or not. Now you find yourself married to a man who’s drug use is unacceptable to you, even though it’s occasional.

    People have different understandings of what addiction is but a common definition is continuing the behaviour even when it is causing problems in other areas of your life, e.g. family, work, health etc. Consequences of your husband’s binges include not coming home to care for his children as agreed, being asked to leave his home by his wife, missing screenings for a serious health condition, and regularly not participating fully in family life for extended periods after a binge. Now maybe he doesn’t see these things as problems, but I can understand why they’re problems for you.

    If you’re lying for him and covering for him after a binge, then you’re enabling him. Don’t do it any more. I’m not judging. I’m married to a person who had a drinking problem so I completely understand how you got there. You say your marriage is otherwise good but in my experience, if he is repeatedly putting his binges ahead of obligations like caring for his kids while you’re at work, you will grow to resent him, especially when you’re doing it all in secret.

    I 100% recommend couples counselling. It saved my marriage. I had all but given up on the relationship when we started but I didn’t want to look back and think I should have tried harder. If you really listen to each other, it will allow him to understand why you’re unhappy about his binges and it will allow you to understand why they’re important to him. It will give you both a chance to compromise. And if you can’t compromise after that, you’ll know you gave it your best shot.

    And please, OP, don’t listen to people saying you’re the one breaking up the family.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The OP has an issue to sort and I wish her the best with it.

    What I took from this thread is she is a health care professional with experience of dealing with Cocaine on a medical basis. This experience is a factor in her decision and I wish the best of luck with it.

    What I can't get over is the amount of people on here defending cocaine. Its ridiculous.

    Primary school stuff everyone does it now etc it must be OK. My mate johnny does it years etc

    Personally I think class A drugs no matter how cool people think they are ruin lives, marriages, families and communities.

    Nothing sadder than watching a 40 old year old man think he is in Motley crew of a Saturday night in a local pub of a one horse night putting 80 quid worth of shite up his nose and talking out his arse at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭P2C


    Go and speak to an addiction councillor in the HSE and ask them do they think your husband is addicted to coke and or alcohol. If your husband is taking coke once every couple of months I would doubt he is addicted. The reality is coke and other drugs are part of a lot of peoples nights out. I have lots of friends who are habitual drug users but are far from addicted and are taking drugs for the last 30 years. They live professional lives and some have families. I have some friends who’s wives know the score and others who have never told them they dabble. I would also go onto ask about alcohol website and there is a very good tool about alcohol dependency.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's a balls of a situation for you Cobain.

    It's very easy for people here to say leave him as there's no consequence for them and a lot of the time life isn't that simple.

    You could have a husband who's sober as a judge all the time but a complete w anker. What I'm saying is, people shouldn't be so quick to just write him off as a person just because he takes cocaine occasionally. Like you already said he's a great Dad and does his fair share. You also said he has trauma from his past, which can often lead to substance abuse.

    Having said all that, it does sound like he needs to address it as he's not getting any younger and as you get older your body can't take the same abuse it once did and probably why he's such a write off after.

    If it's affecting him in a bad way with like a week long recovery and having two kids there it doesn't seem sustainable and if he can't stop by himself considering the problems it's causing maybe he needs to seek help.

    Honest conversation is always the right way and it sounds like ye have that. I wouldn't judge someone by what they put up their nose. It sounds like he's a good man in a lot of other ways but realistically he needs to start looking after himself better. He needs to come to that conclusion and resolve to change his ways himself. It can't be forced. It has to come from him.

    I wish you the best of luck. It can't be easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Drugs are bad news - A murky world most people want no part in .

    Some here seem happy to excuse drug usage but most people prefer not to have to deal with the scum selling cocaine in this country !



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    OP many people on here probably don't understand how common cocaine use is, cocaine is everywhere and is widely used by people from all walks of life the vast majority of which don't get addicted. I honestly don't see it as too much of a problem my advice would be to try and get him to slowly cut down to maybe once or twice a year, I wouldn't over react too much, apart from the immediate comedown you get immediately after stopping a binge nothing will effect him afterwards.

    I don't use it personally but I work for an IT company and I'd say a good half the lads in the office use it regularly when they go out on the weekends, I know a lad who brings it into work with him sometimes but he's an exception, a good few people in the office wouldn't have a clue anyone ever used it at all. Cocaine can be and is mostly used responsibly when used by a responsible person. Try not to over react too much.

    Although I'll admit if it was a family member of mine I'd have a very different opinion as I've always been strongly against drugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭Augme



    I'd fond the fact he drinks minimum 2-3 drinks per night and more at the weekend as a much bigger deal than his cocaine use every few months. Your husband is an addict, to drink though. He's an alcoholic. Amazing though, this being Ireland that it's perfectly normal and acceptable to overlook that and view it as "normal" but a bit of cocaine very few months makes him worse than Hitler nearly.


    I really think you need to get your priorities correct here OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭sporina


    OP how is your relationship with your hubby otherwise? do ye do fun things together? as a family? does he do stuff with the kids? bring them to sports/lessons - what ever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    I think he's way over the top in his behaviour as a late thirties married man with kids.

    Sure we all need a blow out every now and again but drinking 20 to 30 pints every week then having a complete bender with cocaine thrown in every six to eight weeks is not / should not be normal for someone in his position. Ask yourself if he'd be happy if you did the the same thing. As a matter of fact ask him if he'd be happy to see you act as he does !! I'd also be very surprised as well if his cocaine use is as occasional as once every two months. To me that's a bit like telling the doctor that you 'only' smoke 10 a day or less.

    Obviously the decision is yours but IMO you need to call stop right now as it's obviously affecting your life and that of your kids. I wouldn't go straight for the 'kick him out' phase but would insist on him attending marriage counselling with you so that he can see how much of an effect his behaviour is having. If he refuses or makes excuses then it's pretty obvious where his priorities lie and it's all going to come crashing down regardless. Only he can make the changes but he needs to know the consequences of not making the changes laid out bare in front of him. Stay strong and forget about being embarrassed. If push comes to shove people will rally around and are a lot more understanding than you think.

    Hopefully he comes to his senses and sees what he stands to lose and you manage to put all this behind you. I hate to see any relationship break down but when your mental health is threatened and you're living on your nerves sometimes there is no option. Best of luck to both of you and your family..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    OP, what exactly is the issue?

    Your husband has been doing this for 15 years and while you didn't like it you accepted it as you thought it was just drink. Now you find out its cocaine you seem to have an issue with it.

    I'm not saying its your issue but you need to figure out exactly what you have a problem with. When you know what the issue is then you can have the discussion with your husband. If its the cocaine that is the problem then tell him he can still have nights out but the cocaine isn't acceptable. If its the nights out are the issue then you need to sit down and say that. Maybe come to an agreement that they need to stop for a few years until your children are older.

    To all the people who say worry about the mortgage/savings. If he has been doing this for 15 years and the wife hasn't even noticed then it is not a financial issue. Saying it is is just clouding the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭notAMember


    It doesn't actually matter how common it is, whether he is an addict or not. We all know it's everywhere. So what? It's just his excuse.

    The guy is leaving his wife in the lurch, humiliating both her and their children. She has to drop the children off with relatives when he doesn't come home from benders, so she can go out to work. Even imagining that kind of morning, I can picture myself getting embarrassed and ashamed. I don't know OP, if you tell those relatives what is actually happening, or if you are covering up for him too.


    What sort of person treats their family like that?


    Reading the responses on this thread defending that crappy behaviour is depressing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    Her husband is more than entitled to go out on a bender every couple of months if he wants to. He's not leaving his wife in the lurch assuming he lets her know that he's going out.

    He should probably knock the cocaine on the head on these nights out but he's more than entitled to go out on the drink every couple of months to let his hair down every once in a while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭backwards_man


    OP if he is out till 5 or 6 in the morning, coke and alcohol are not the only worries. I would be worried where he is and who he is with. Considering that it has not been possible to be out in pubs or nightclubs for most of the past 2 years till past 11pm where does he go? Hooking up would be the first thing that springs to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Also consider his possible long term health issues associated partic with the drink and how that might affect you and the children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭houseyhouse


    Yes he has a right to socialise. Nobody is disputing that. But he was supposed to be minding the kids the next day while she was at work and he didn’t get home on time or wasn’t in a fit state. If my partner did that more than once, I’d be raging. If it was the mother who was on a bender when she should have been minding her young kids while the father was at work, would you think that was fine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Just re-reading the OP and seeing something I might have overlooked;

    We have two kids and he is a wonderful dad and husband when sober 

    Implying that when he's not sober, he's difficult. Not necessarily abusive, it can be any situation where they cause trouble or otherwise make you uncomfortable when they're around.

    I have a couple of drinks in front of my kids, the odd time. Like if we're out for dinner with relatives or something. Naturally I don't get stocious when I'm in charge of them, but there have been occasions (e.g. weddings) where I'm well on but have to interact with my or other children briefly.

    I would hope my wife would describe me as a "wonderful" Dad, but I'm very certain that she would never feel the need to qualify it with "when he's sober".

    Maybe reading too much into it. But the fact that OP felt the need to say it suggests that she doesn't like the person he is when he's drinking. Which suggests that it's a problem not only for her, but for him too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭recyclops


    Going on a bit of bender with alcohol every once in a while is fine but all you need to do is plan ahead and be available for friends when your family need you least.

    Doing it knowing your minding the kids the next day then not really being in a fit state when present or some times not even being present is just being a dickhead, immature and selfish.

    That being said the jumping to conclusions of cheating, massive debt etc is wayyyy over the top, I have often been out and ended up back in my friends house to watch sport etc that wasnt planned and got home in the wee hours 6/7 o clock ( thankfully its just me and my wife) but its a rare occurance but to insinuate someone is cheating without knowing anything about them is just off the wall.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    That post is pretty much meaningless as he only does it once every couple of months when he goes out with his friends, presumably he just comes home and goes straight to bed apart from the one occasion he was meant to be minding the kids next day where presumably he would have been tired and cranky rather than fun, so it's not like him being different when he's not sober has much of an effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Like I say, I could be reading too much into it, but she does mention that he's drinking seven days a week. So maybe it's not just a couple of times a year, maybe that's just when it's at its most obvious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I didn't realize he drinks everyday.

    Well then OP if he drinks everyday he's clearly an alcoholic and I'd be far more concerned about that than a bit of cocaine use on a night out every couple of months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Maybe you aren't reading the thread, and the continued input from the OP. I'll sum it up.

    I mean being bundled up in the mornings and brought to relatives houses when daddy hasn't shown up from his current session and mammy is going out to work. That's a crappy situation. It is stressful, humiliating, disruptive, and frankly a crappy example of a father. When that is the impact "socialising" has on a family, it's WAY too much. He's not entitled to do that, and that's is exactly what is being described here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    People are murdered in grotesque ways and people that use Cocaine are supporting this barbarism.


    That alone should be enough to make you run.



  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭amargar


    Drinking several beers a day and more in the weekends is alcoholism, and sooner or later it's going to come crashing hard on your family (I was the children once in this scenario).

    Put a stop to it for the sake of your children before things get dirty, believe me they will. If you don't, one day you will regret you didn't do it before. There are people out there that can help your husband.



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  • Administrators Posts: 14,396 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I understand your reluctance to talk to family or friends. I also understand the loyalty you feel to your husband and not wanting people to think badly of him. But your family and friends already have a good idea. If he's a heavy drinker they know. If you're dropping the kids off in the morning before work with a flimsy excuse, they know.

    Regardless of anyone telling you it's common, and widespread and everyone is doing it you are entitled to not be happy with it the effect it's having on your life, your family, your relationship. Coming home at 6/7am. Being out of it for the whole day/weekend following and being sick for a week or two afterwards is not acceptable when you're a parent. We don't like gender generalisations is this forum, but I can guarantee if a man came on here posting exactly what you have posted about his wife and mother of his children I can't imagine too many people would be telling him he's overreacting and she was just enjoying herself with her friends. A mother pretty much removing herself from family life every couple of months, not being capable of looking after her own children due to drink and drug binges would have people unanimously advising the father to remove his children from that situation. When a father does it though, he's just letting off steam, hanging out with his friends. The wife is a nag who doesn't want him to relax and enjoy himself.

    You are not unreasonable.

    I think you should find a local Al-Anon group. Just go along and see what you think. Maybe confide in one trusted, level-headed friend. Not someone who's going to swoop in, telling you to leave, telling you you're stupid for putting up with it etc. But someone who'll listen. Who'll support you, regardless of what decision you make. Ending a marriage is never a decision to be taken lightly. And very often it can take years to finally take that step even if you've known all along that's the inevitable end.

    Take your time. Go to an Al-Anon meeting if you can. Read up on living with a problem drinker. By lying for him and keeping life ticking over for him you are enabling him. You are doing it because you love him. But you are also keeping the show on the road. Allowing him the space to continue with few consequences.

    Start here



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    I agree completely with big bag of chips, Al anon is definitely a safe place to talk about your husbands substance abuse issues and help you regain yourself.

    As someone who was married to an alcoholic my heart goes out to you. I remember the covering up to other people, trying to keep things going by myself and just generally living on my nerves.

    It's a horrible lonely place to be but I would definitely recommend Al anon and I'm glad you are getting some counselling. Take your time and use any resources available to help you make any decisions. Mind yourself



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭LillySV


    Don’t think advice off this … lots of highly charged people with their own problems giving advice on boards . My advice would be to speak to someone close you trust … or seek counseling between yourself and hubby …

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  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭dubstepper


    The occasional drug use would not be a big deal for me, but I can see why it would be for some. He is not an cocaine addict or anything like it.

    I would see a couple of areas of concern for me:

    1) Drink 2 or 3 beers every night with more on the weekends. That is an alcohol dependency really. While he may not be an alcoholic I would push him to prove he doesn't have a dependency on alcohol.

    2) When he goes out it's a bender. A married man has surrendered the right to write off the weekend. He is paling around with single guys (I think you said). These are in a different situation and it is unfair of your husband thinking he can act like them. As other poster's said, do you know what he is getting up to on those nights? If he is out with single guys there are most likely women around. However you dice it, it is really disrespectful to you leave you in the lurch while he gets over the night out.

    3) People who take drugs and drink very regularly tend to end up lying to their loved ones. How do you know he isn't taking a line or two himself over the weekends? You may not really know the scale of what he is doing.

    I would definitely having a serious discussion and seeing what he values more, your family or drink/drugs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I go away for a few weekends a year with friends as does my wife. A married parent can absolutely avail of time away from the family unit and should be encouraged to do so. The issue here seems to be that he is good for nothing when he comes back which is odd as while I wouldn't recover from a heavy night out as quickly as I did in my 20s it does not affect me for as long as it seems to affect the OPs husband. I wonder is there something else to this that we have not been told.

    There are 3 sides to every story. What the OP has written is presumably the truth as she sees it. That is not to say that it is the truth as others would see it. Her husband presumably has a different truth that is just as true and just as valid. This is why marriage counselling would be the obvious solution here rather than going immediately to the nuclear option as is often advised on this forum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I would be shocked if her husband would bother going out without drinking or doing drugs, from what I've read and understand from my own experience. It is not the going out with friends part here that is the issue and she will see this pretty quickly when she asks if he can go out and not take any alcohol or drugs and he either doesn't go out or else does go out and fails to stick to this commitment.

    Your attitude is unfortunately a typical Irish attitude of "it's just a few pints, once it doesn't interfere with his life sure it's grand" but presumably a few pints for you would be sufficient quantities to get a hangover - which should not really be normalized with a young family waiting at home and a wife who doesn't partake. In Ireland there is far too of a relaxed attitude to taking enough drink to get a hangover and there is some denial around drinking to excess, often it is portrayed as a love of socialising but in reality the addiction to socialising is not what the actual addiction is, it is to the alcohol or drugs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    And I would suggest quite a few of the replies from those that can't seem to restrain themselves on a night out could also start their own personal issues threads along the lines of "when should I know when to stop?". Enablers and reality deniers, but I'm sure the OP can see this.

    I make no health distinction between cocaine or alcohol bye, in fact would view alcohol as a lot worse than cocaine given its being taken in much larger quantities and its normalisation in society.



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