Russia - threadbanned users in OP

A couple reasons:

1) Russian posturing scuppers whatever plans US/UK/NATO had for Ukraine; this explains their over reaction.

2) Domestically both Biden and Borris probably need a "villian" they can use to justify their own military spending excess.

Last night BBC2 showed a brilliant first episode of a series on the rise of the Nazis. It centres on the decision to invade their then ally, the USSR in Operation Barbarossa (1941). The attempts to deny that the Nazis intended to invade, the way in which dictators inevitably over-reach themselves and believe their own propaganda all bore an eerie resemblance to current events in Russia. It also reminded viewers of why Russians might be fearful of invasion from the West.

But I suppose that some people seem to forget that there are fairly fundamental differences between the German regime of 1941 and Western governments to-day. The German forces massed for Operation Barbarossa numbered 3 million. Current NATO deployments in the Baltic states and Poland are more like 10 thousand, spread out over about 1000km.

@circadian @MFPM Did you read the US State Department's 2020 report on Turkey (NATO member).

Significant human rights issues included: reports of arbitrary killings; suspicious deaths of persons in custody; forced disappearances; torture; arbitrary arrest and continued detention of tens of thousands of persons, including opposition politicians and former members of parliament, lawyers, journalists, human rights activists, and employees of the U.S. Mission, for purported ties to “terrorist” groups or peaceful legitimate speech; the existence of political prisoners, including elected officials; politically motivated reprisal against individuals located outside the country; significant problems with judicial independence; severe restrictions on freedom of expression, the press, and the internet, including violence and threats of violence against journalists, closure of media outlets, and unjustified arrests or criminal prosecution of journalists and others for criticizing government policies or officials, censorship, site blocking and the existence of criminal libel laws; severe restriction of freedoms of assembly, association, and movement; some cases of refoulement of refugees; and violence against women and lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex persons and members of other minorities.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/turkey/

It goes on and on as you can imagine.

What has NATO done about it?

They were in Kuwait illegally

Do you actually think it ended .

Remember were even increasing out defense budget

Lol

Didn't Saddam have the 4 biggest army in the world and the most heavily defended cities in the world in air defenses .

And yet they got rolled ......

Are you afraid that's what going to happen to your russian friends.

Again you have yet to prove a single claim on this thread

Can you point to a source that tells us the US are lying about the number of Russian troops on the Ukraine border?

Schultz has no say on Nato,

Under the minsk agreements elections can be held after foreign troops and equipment aka( Russian military) leave east ukraine and ukraine secures its borders

He's still upset about cork fishermen standing up to the Russian navy

Why would we stop talking about the actions and policies of western powers, when their actions and policies are integral to the story of what is going on in Ukraine?

That would be completely nonsensical.

Nope, sorry Gatling, the US and the west are intimately connected to this whole mess. 🙂

Only so much bs one can make up

You done?

I have yet to hear the British and American narrative on the latest events, I'm sure this narrative coincidentally matches up with the opinions of the posters here on boards so could someone please explain to me what's going on?