Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Don't worry, there will be a small army (excuse the pun) of posters along any minute now to request verifiable evidence of these wild assertions.

Because they're all about the evidence and facts around these parts.

You just wait and see. Any minute now.... 😂

And how will certain posters justify the cyberattacks?

Scholz seems to be auditioning to be the adult in the room. The US, Europe and NATO as a whole are not going to fight for Ukraine. Biden has stated this. And the sight of all Western embassy staff and military advisors fleeing the country this week even whilst the Russians continue to insist they have no intent to invade Ukraine has shown the reality of it. So Germany, and Europe as a whole, lose absolutely nothing by trading something they don't care about (Ukrainian demands against Russia) for something they do care about (peace in Europe, easy access to cheap energy).

And this is not necessarily to Ukraine's disadvantage. The US "defence" of Ukraine has amounted to a hysterical war scare which has only succeeded in sparking an economic collapse of the country as investors and oligarchs flee. To the point that even the Ukrainians are begging their "allies" to calm down. Which they refuse to do because its not about Ukraine. Meanwhile the Russian interests are merely that Ukraine does not join NATO or otherwise align against Russia's security, and respects the Russian ethnic minority. So they too can trade nothing (NATO membership) for something (grounds for economic prosperity and actual physical security). I understand that Russia doesn't even necessarily object to Ukrainian membership of the EU.

The smart course for everyone - Ukraine, Russia, US, NATO, EU - is clear. We must all hope that the news cycle of the past 4 months (West warns Russia not to invade Ukraine, Russia says it does not plan to invade Ukraine, repeat to tedium) ends and Germany starts to knock some heads together to find the right solution.

All that said, I do not think that the backers of the current "Ukrainian crisis" are at all concerned with Ukraine or it's interests. The target is and always has been Nordstream 2. Same as it was with the supposed Navalny assassination in 2020. For whatever reason there is a faction in the US which has identified Nordstream 2 as a critical threat to their interests and they are willing to do whatever it takes to prevent it coming online. Don't be surprised if the US decides to launch an Iranian style sanction regime against Germany if the "Ukrainian Invasion" scare joins the "Navalny Assassination" attempt in the dustbin of history.

So are you saying that the German chancellor has no say on how Germany is represented in NATO?

Every country has a veto as all members need to agree.

Scholtz 100% has a say on how Germany decides, the same way Merkel wouldn’t agree to fast tracking Ukraine’s membership.

Great speech by Biden

So you don't want a war? Fantastic, so zero people want a war, then a war should not happen and we will all be happy.

I don't think anyone cares whether Russian leadership gives a **** about western judgement really. What they expect is for them to adhere to the norms of international law, like not invading your neighbour.

As for right and wrong being irrelevant,sure whatever, one man's right is another's wrong. What matters are international agreements, laws and trust. Even if you believe that those laws were simply written by those at the top of geopolitics(even though everyone including Russia has a seat at the table in the un for example), so what? What does it matter? With laws and order you have security and safety for individuals to prosper and a predictable future. Would you prefer if the world order was unpredictable? A predictable and secure future backed by laws and agreements reduces conflict, saving the lives of countless innocent people. Would you propose a kind of free for all? Because we had that.

It's funny how argumentative a thread can be when it appears that noone here believes that Russia would be justified in further invading Ukraine.

So the Russians are still there .....

But according to some on here there not there at all , despite the Russians saying yes we're there

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Memo must have been lost

Perhaps it's time for Germany to rearm.

I am genuinely fearful that a potential war may take place…

Is olc an ghaoth nach séideann do dhuine éigin

A lot of ordinary lives will be destroyed. Why can people never be happy with what they have. Why must they always seek more…

Yes, millions of humans working day and night to murder millions of other humans because of some abstract identity or political issues that have no impact on the lives of the vast majority. Yet we will have the fantasist talking about war as if its nothing. Instead of showing kids images of the D day landing or whatever, they should show them the cannibalism, the rape, the disfigurement,the burns and of course the children that simple starved to death.