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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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    #7352
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Too bad the timetables are still technically not correct, given GAI are running Saturday plus still 🤣

    But in all seriousness, they have unified designs for stop/service change notices as seen in the design guidelines, but have yet to implement them correctly. DB & GAI still have their own style notices which are used (if you're lucky), and usually zip-tied onto the pole or stuck to the glass of the shelter



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    #7353
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Was just wondering, is there any infastructural things need to be done around Spencer Dock for the G-spine to get going? Or what will be the plan for when that launches in June (if they can even stick to that launch date that is)?



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    #7354
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563294#Comment_118563294

    The location of the temporary depot they're leasing is in Finglas. They're drawing up a planning application for modifications.

    Whoever wins the W4/W6 contract will be expected to provide their own depot which is what makes this NTA depot more interesting.

    Post edited by Peregrine on


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    #7355
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    What's the point of the depot in Finglas then?



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    #7356
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭john boye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118593373#Comment_118593373

    They'll obviously still require more garage space with upcoming expansions



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    #7357
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I think the G spine routes will be a part of that depot in Finglas when it's opened. I think I remember heard recently is that one of the G Spine routes that is same as the 40 from Finglas to Liffey Valley. If that assumption is correct; would Dublin Bus become the occupiers of that new depot?



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    #7358
    AngryLips
    Registered Users Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118593523#Comment_118593523

    But the G spine doesn't even go anywhere near Finglas - it's mostly an entirely southside spine.



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    #7359
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118593523#Comment_118593523

    The G1 takes over the 40 south of the Liffey effectively, but terminates in Spencer Dock rather than continuing to Finglas.



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    #7360
    TranslatorPS
    Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118593523#Comment_118593523

    If there are any geographically close spines to benefit from a Finglas depot, it's the F Spine...

    ...and anyway the F reeks of the current 83 in its generic terminus locations and proximity to Harristown (and to a lesser extent the current 140 and Broadstone), so I'm more inclined towards anything serving D15 or the E Spine - most of the Blanch routes are rather saturated in empty mileage from and to Phibsboro, Broadstone, and Harristown.


    In all honesty, the Dublin city bus network needs another garage in a south-western location to help with the empty mileage to Tallaght - yes, I'm looking at Ringsend and their 27/77A and 49.



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    #7361
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    So the NTA's temporary depot in Finglas will be an overflow depot for BusConnects. Not quite sure how it will work. I'll try to find out more.



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    #7362
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    The CEO of Dublin Bus said on a internal social network platform. That they didn't win the tender for W4 and W6 routes



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    #7363
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Any idea who won it? I would assume Go-Ahead would be well placed with their existing radial routes serving areas to be covered by those two routes?



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    #7364
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118636576#Comment_118636576

    Haven't a clue devnull, I say it was GAI or maybe national express



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    #7365
    Citrus_8
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118636454#Comment_118636454

    I think it was expected long time ago that commuters will go to GAI, or, hopefully, some to NE.



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    #7366
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    What was the rationale in not awarding them to Dublin Bus. They are going to get more routes aren't they rather than having the N4 at Harristown. The winning bidder of the S routes have not been announced yet. Will there be a date announced soon for who won those routes?



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    #7367
    AngryLips
    Registered Users Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    So the winning bidder is the one that has so far failed to deliver those routes on schedule? Apparently we're going to be waiting until June for the services to commence.



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    #7368
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118638503#Comment_118638503

    Just for your 2nd part of your comment, do you mean the W routes? Afaik the southern orbitals aren't being tendered out - the s6/s8 are both amalgamations of the 17, 75 and 175 anyways so I would imagine go-ahead would continue running them. Unsure who will operate the S2 & S4 however.



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    #7369
    TranslatorPS
    Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118638503#Comment_118638503

    You really don't know how tenders work based on your first sentence, do you?

    It's not a game of "who we want", it's a game of ticking boxes for the highest amount of pre-specified requirements.

    The W6 and W8 were on top of the existing network already - whether by PVR, mileage, hours, whatever - so there was no way they were going to be included in the existing DB and GAI contracts.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118638937#Comment_118638937

    That was roughly the plan from the very beginning. Originally the tender was meant to have been resolved 3-4 months ago and the contract signed in November, with services commencing 6 months from contract signing but no later than June. Simple maths indicates that this would have meant no earlier than May anyway, and since the W orbitals were planned for June anyway, your comment is targeting the wrong body in all of this.



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    #7370
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    From what I have heard the W4 and W6 are expected to launch approx. early summer.

    According to Ray Coyne in an internal staff message, which has now been made public on social media, winning the tender would have resulted in a further 80 full time jobs being created and another 20 vehicles being added to the Dublin Bus fleet.

    He also spoke of the need to position the business to secure future tender competitions and maintain growth, which may well suggest that he thinks some changes are needed in order to give them better opportunities in the future.

    There is still no news on who was the successful bidder.



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    #7371
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    "another 20 vehicles being added to the Dublin Bus fleet"


    What vehicles would these have been I wonder, Extra EV single deckers? I know DB are due to get a bunch anyways for the O route. Afaik there will be no more PAs delivered other than what's already committed for DB.

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    #7372
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    More PA's



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    #7373
    TranslatorPS
    Registered Users Posts: 333 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    It wouldn't surprise me if the further 24 PA/PADs that were mentioned by the NTA previously are in fact intended for the W4/W6 operator, as this would match rather well with a PVR of 18 and operational spares. Note that BE's Galway garage received 40 PADs for a PVR of 30.



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    #7374
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Ah right, forgot about those 24 extra PA/PADs



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    #7375
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,715 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    To be honest it would make more sense for the PAs to stick to routes going through the city centre given their lower emissions I would think, and perhaps cascade/swap other vehicles over to whoever wins the tender to operate the two new routes.



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    #7376
    mikeybhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118643579#Comment_118643579

    I would say it'll go to Go-Ahead I could be wrong but I can't see any new operator getting a depot and maintenance facilities set up between now and the summer.



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    #7377
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Bus eireann could be a possibility, given they have broadstone, but I doubt they even went for the tender tbh.



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    #7378
    mikeybhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648725#Comment_118648725

    I highly doubt two CIE companies would compete against each other for a tender would seem daft



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    #7379
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,445 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Anyone know the timelines for delivery of the core bus corridors?

    Has the Preliminary Business Case gone to government yet and if not do we know when that’s happening?

    Do we know roughly what date the applications to An Bord Pleanála will happen assuming the Preliminary Business Case gets the go ahead?



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    #7380
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118649820#Comment_118649820

    Any week now.

    The first one is ready to go when the PBC is approved. ABP didn't like the earlier plan of submitting them in two batches of six a month apart. They'll be submitted individually over a few months starting with Clongriffin now. They also need the Road Traffic and Roads Bill 2021 to be passed before some of them can be submitted (not Clongriffin). Presumably they'll be submitted at the end.



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    #7381
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,445 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118650314#Comment_118650314

    Ok that’s good to hear.

    I think I know the answer to this but I’ll ask anyway, any news on ANPR cameras?



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