General Star Trek thread

eadrom · 16-02-2022 11:47am

Yeah with Trek on the TV and even some of the same characters in SNW, this could get a bit confusing.

Are all the rights and IP under one roof now at least? Didn't that change a bit since the last films? I'm wondering if they'll try to connect the two at all, though not entirely sure I'd want them to. Multiverses seem to be very much 'in' at the moment anyway.

I wish them well but won't be expecting too much.

pixelburp · 16-02-2022 11:50am

What it also means, is that if they're dragging back the big stars with (presumably) big paycheque, there's NO chance Trek 4 will be modestly-budgeted to the extent it wouldn't need an excessive box office total to succeed. I had kinda hoped they'd try and make something under €100 million and let a good, adult story take centre-stage; instead I fear we're going to get another Four Quadrant crowd-pleaser with a total absence of intelligence.

breezy1985 · 16-02-2022 12:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118639668#Comment_118639668

I wonder what 20th century vehicle and Beastie Boys song will feature this time.

Actually seeing as they always rip off elements of the TOS movies maybe there will be a time travel to the 20th century plot.

Evade · 16-02-2022 1:35pm

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Sherman Firefly and Intergalactic

eadrom · 16-02-2022 1:39pm

Actually seeing as they always rip off elements of the TOS movies maybe there will be a time travel to the 20th century plot.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're time-traveling back to $now to save us all from some ecological disaster, and save the budget from some special effects.

With whale cameos and nuclear wessels.

pixelburp · 16-02-2022 1:40pm

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You joke but it'd certainly keep costs down!

magicbastarder · 16-02-2022 1:52pm

i definitely read that chris pine signed a contract to do X number of star trek movies at some ludicrously low price. not sure if he's fulfilled his contractual obligations yet?

IIRC, and i'd have to confirm this, it was something like 50k a movie, and he jumped at it as he knew it was his big break.

edit: the internet suggests that he definitely earned way above 50k!

AMKC · 16-02-2022 8:46pm

Not a hope that it will be out by Christmas 2023. I would say Summer 2024 would be a better time frame myself.

pixelburp · 18-02-2022 6:40pm

Well. Sounds like Tarantino's aborted Star Trek had exactly as little Trek as I might have presumed. The short summary is he wanted Kirk to go back in time to the 1930s, with gangsters being the focus 🙄

Bullet Dodged.

https://variety.com/feature/quentin-tarantino-star-trek-explained-1235184059/

Evade · 18-02-2022 6:43pm

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Kirk and 30s gangsters isn't the least Star Trek like story in history

pixelburp · 18-02-2022 6:49pm

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Meh; I know we had the Planet of the Gangsters episode but I try to forget those idiot episodes anyway TBH 😁 but there's no way this was going to be anything but a gangster flick with some Trek window dressing.

magicbastarder · 18-02-2022 6:51pm

yeah, if you weren't familiar with the series, a pitch of 'the star trek crew go back in time to steal a whale from the 1980s' might seem bananas.

breezy1985 · 18-02-2022 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118654973#Comment_118654973

Back in time by travelling anti clockwise around the sun.

TheValeyard · 18-02-2022 7:28pm

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Was this not already an episode?

Evade · 18-02-2022 7:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118655176#Comment_118655176

It wasn't time travel just "we have access to the costumes so an alien race will be gangsters."

breezy1985 · 18-02-2022 7:40pm

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Not a hope in hell he was ever the right man for Star Trek. Nothing he has ever done suggests he wouldn't absolutely butcher things even worse that "I don't like Star Trek" JJ or I don't have a clue about it Kurtzmann.

AMKC · 18-02-2022 7:55pm

Well I am so thankfully that never happened. It would have ended up being a huge flop too no doubt. Some people just do not get Star Trek.

I would love to see Rian Johnson do a Star Trek film. I think he could do a good job.

Evade · 18-02-2022 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118655337#Comment_118655337

Ehh, no thanks. His Star Wars was bad enough.

Evade · 18-02-2022 8:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118640384#Comment_118640384

Getting a small upfront in exchange for a percentage of the total box office isn't that uncommon these days, a lot of Marvel actors are on that kind of contract, so $50k might not be unreasonable as an upfront.

pixelburp · 18-02-2022 8:17pm

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I'd say Johnson won't touch another major franchise for as long as he lives. Last Jedi will outlast the marmite reception but why Wade in those waters again? Johnson would be a good fit for a fun Trek, with Looper showing he can still do thoughtful, precision Sci-Fi. And Knives Out was just fabulous.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118654973#Comment_118654973

Trek IV had the smarts to know that at this point, this series was for Trek fans, and wasn't trying to indulge every demographic the marketing dept said they had to aim for.

magicbastarder · 18-02-2022 8:59pm

i'd like to be able to find the article where i read about that 'cheap chris pine' contract, but it touched on the above too - it was about how hollywood was moving to series reboots because it allowed them to break out of a series that might only attract already existing fans, but now would (in theory) attract existing fans and a new audience too.

so it was seen as a less risky proposition than trying to write a sci-fi movie de novo, which could sink without trace.

it also saved them an eye-watering amount of money; where you could hire a entire cast for cheaper than a single big name might cost. leonard nimoy was in the first of the reboots, a bridge between old and new.

pixelburp · 19-02-2022 9:30pm

The foundational problem in all the reboots has been the dogged insistence Star Trek can or should be a €1 billion franchise. Starting from that point they could only ever be certain kinds of movies, and that had a very limited shelf life once the actual Trek enthusiasts bailed on the series.

There's no space anymore for the adult geared, smaller budgeted genre flicks. Maybe Dune showed there's still appetite for something not beholden to appealing to smashy-smashy audiences, but who knows if that will start a trend.

breezy1985 · 19-02-2022 9:53pm

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I get why 09 played to the masses but Disco really should have been more brave and rather than making Trek popular by playing to current trends should have strived to prove that there is still room to be cerebral and popular (what a Trek idea that would have been)

Boimler gave an amazing speech about why he joined Starfleet that is basically a manifesto for what Trek should be and I know I've used this already but the Muppet movie is all about how the lofty ideals of that show can still exist and be relevant in the cynical world of modern TV and doesn't need to sink to trends to be good.

AMKC · 20-02-2022 12:30am

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I disagree. I think it was the best of the new Star Wars films. He tried to do something new and brave unlike JJ and his copy and paste movies.

I would love for Paramount to get him in to do Star Trek.

He shown in that movie that he could make a great Star Trek movie and unlike JJ he would probably care about it too.

JJ Abrams should never have been allowed near Star Trek.

breezy1985 · 20-02-2022 1:46am

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Half his Star Wars movie was brilliant particularly creating the Rey Kylo relationship that is the one real redeeming feature of the trilogy as far as I'm concerned although I did like grumpy Luke too.

But he also created the absolute worst parts of the trilogy like Mary Poppins, space bombs, the daft space race and it's daft conclusion, the terrible casino planet ( has there ever been a good sci-fi casino ).

He is another guy like JJ who thinks it's his job to rip apart the history of the franchise. Dune was an exception for him as he was obsessed with it since a kid and actually drew Dune story boards with his friends as a teen.

Trek needs someone who is brave enough to sell it on its historic merits rather than sell it on the fact they can rip up and remake it.

Evade · 20-02-2022 1:53am

Does Quark's count as a good sci fi casino?

The casino planet really was awful. "Creatures suffering is wrong, let's free the animals" *casually ignores the sapient slaves*

EDIT: What do Abrams or Johnson have to do with Dune?

pixelburp · 20-02-2022 8:08am

Star Wars always had almost zero deference to space physics; the bombing run was just another oment in that "opt in" approach, and don't get what it is singled out. It was a fine action sequence, very tense and well crafted if one just ignored the physics. While the Mary Poppins thing I wasn't enraged about either; was kinda cool to see other, powerful forms of the force beyond violent choking and lightning. It looked a little goofy yes, but no great shakes either. Perfect Space Fantasy.

It was a brave movie that basically tried forge a new destiny for Star Wars, divorced of its obsession with lineage and the Skywalkers. To the point of its main antagonist saying to move on from the past and "kill it, if you have to". Heck Kylo Ren himself was a fabulous, complicated "villain" that went beyond simple megalomania. He was hurt, angry but not irredeemable either. While the film's decision to decouple itself from the Force as something inherited to an idea that anyone could be a Jedi a good one (that last shot was just *chef's kiss*)

The comedy was total shít and I don't think anyone enjoyed the sluggish casino segue ... but I'd honestly stick by an assessment of Last Jedi as one of the best, most character rich blockbusters in years. It did more right than it did wrong and deserves patience and reassessment IMO.

It told an interesting, genuinely exciting sequel story where nothing was certain! There was a moment where I genuinely wondered if we were about to see a switcheroo, Rey becoming the baddie and Kylo the hero... that was an amazing feeling (omg that throne room fight, another great set piece) ..

I was excited for the future of Star Wars ... then the fanboys screamed, raged and we got the garbage that was Rise of Skywalker. Episode IX was the exact moment my tolerance for nostalgic masturbation bottomed out; I was done being wànked off by shallow cameos and callbacks and "fan service".

Somehow, Palpatine returned, with 1000 Star Destroyers with 1000 death Star lasers? Oh and Rey was suddenly related ... Despite Last Jedi saying lineage doesn't matter, it's how you live your life that does? Oh fúck off Abrams.

Uhm, Star Trek!