Russia - threadbanned users in OP

How could Taiwan join the UN with a Chinese veto?

You don’t think The US has pushed NATO to accept Ukraine as a member ?

It hasn’t happened because it been rejected by France and Germany.

you know how to google.

The 20th NATO Summit,Bucharest 2008.

I've seen analysis that the recent "crisis" was rooted in a US-Ukrainian plan to retake the Donbass in late 2021 or early 2022. By this analysis, hawks in the US and Ukraine considered the recent Azerbaijan usage of Israeli and Turkish drones to destroy Armenian defences as very instructive for how Ukraine could resolve the Donbass issue, potentially intimidating Russia not to intervene as they had failed to do in Armenia's case. The Atlantic Council made this argument in November 2020. When the Biden team took office they refocused on Ukraine, which immediately felt emboldened to take an even more hardline stance. In April 2021, the Ukrainian military announced it would host military exercises with 5 NATO powers in eastern Ukraine in late 2021. The exercises were supposed to include "... defensive actions will be worked out, followed by an offensive in order to restore the state border and territorial integrity of a state that has been subjected to aggression by one of the hostile neighboring countries.”

So Russia faced a scenario where 1) Hawkish think tanks in Washington were arguing that recent conflicts had lessons for Ukraine 2) A new US administration was far more hawkish on Ukraine as a whole 3) The Ukrainian military was announcing military exercises in eastern Ukraine aimed at working out scenarios to recover Donbass by military action. Taken a whole, Russia could reasonably think the threat on its western border was increasing.

In response starting in April 2021 Russia redeployed troops as a precaution. The public hysteria in 2021 and 2022 was the Russia was preparing a massive invasion. Wrong both times. It has become clear that despite the hawkish stance, the US will not fight for Donbass or Ukraine if Russia could not be intimidated. The Ukrainians realised they could not act against Donbass without US support. By this analysis, the whole "Russian invasion" scare of 2021-2022 is just a long, drawn out climbdown by the US.

The factions in the US have still made progress: The LNG industry has made some progress in hampering Nordstream 2, the MIC is profiting from increased deployments in eastern Europe and arms sales, the Russophobes have taken a few more steps towards a complete shutdown of relations with Russia and the Biden administration can hope that a compliant media will reinvent this sorry episode as strong and decisive leadership. Ukraine has completely lost with its economy in tatters and its supposed allies demonstrating they wont fight for it. But Ukraine was never a concern for the US anyway.

The writer overall made the point - a good one - that Russia only seeks a relationship with Ukraine that is comparable to the relationship between the US and Canada. Independent but friendly/aligned in their common interests. Better relations between Russia and Ukraine is far more likely to bring peace and development for Ukraine than NATO membership. If anyone thinks that the development of military alliances encourages peace, I highly recommend they study the causes of WW1. Military alliances played a huge role in increasing the chances of war over relatively minor issues.

Nothing has changed ,

To think posters were coming on to celebrate heer putin single handedly defeating nato ,

Putin got nothing and his 130,000 + are still surrounding ukraine.

How gullible are people on boards

He has gotten a few things. US-Ukrainian relations are at their lowest ebb. NATO has confirmed it will not fight for Ukraine. It has been confirmed to the Ukrainians that NATO membership is off the table. All this taken together has to demoralise the anti-Russian factions in Ukraine who have promised much, but delivered little.

He has received some intelligence as to what sanctions the US and EU might apply in future, so can plan to counter them. He's been able to make the discussion about how to solve Russia's concerns about security and NATO expansion.

And for all this he has simply done nothing while watching his enemies make mistake after mistake.

America isn’t going to do that tho and neither is any country in Europe? What are you on about America in Afghanistan?

@Sad Professor He has gotten a few things. US-Ukrainian relations are at their lowest ebb. NATO has confirmed it will not fight for Ukraine. It has been confirmed to the Ukrainians that NATO membership is off the table. 

None of that is true .

Based off vast experience ???

Didn't think so ,

America in Afghanistan it's in every other post you made ,

Maybe you are mistaking me with someone else?

This isn’t a dick waving contest where America has the potential to wipe every military out on this Earth.

my point is America isn’t going to use its power to wipe every military on this planet out or whatever you are saying.

after all the EU and NATO accosting of UKraine , Russia has decided to annex part of the country and is in position to invade the rest, and everybody that has encouraged Ukraine to do so has left them.

This new boards is a mess .

But you

@XsApollo after all the EU and NATO accosting of UKraine , Russia has decided to annex part of the country and is in position to invade the rest, and everybody that has encouraged Ukraine to do so has left them.

Where are you getting that,

It's purely make believe

First, I'm not one of your "imminent invasion" posters. I'm one of the "Invasion started in 2014" guy's..an its still on going. My friends who got killed there are a testament to that. And I'd be more that happy to see the killing ended, especially the wholesale slaughter that an invasion would bring. Google "Ukraine Ambassador Interview on RTE" and see for yourself what she had to say. Basically, she is saying that when it comes to Russia, action speaks louder than words, and she will believe it when she see's it. She's also saying that the whole basis of Russians build up of troops. that Ukraine being a threat to them, is a complete fabrication .

Have you been listening the last few day?

the US Uk have removed any military that were in Ukraine, embassy staff and advised citizens to leave.