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Unhappy with owning an EV in Ireland

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  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    I would never use the engine to charge the battery, that makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭SteM


    I had an EV and got rid, replaced with a phev.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    What were your mean reasons for ditching the EV in favour of PHEV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Buying a PHEV and not plugging in just means they paid extra to have a heavier car. Completely defeats the purpose.

    Some people just cant grasp figures. Nothing anyone can do about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    We did a good bit of driving around NI when we were up there also. I have figured that I just couldn't be bothered with the hassle of looking for chargers when on trips like that. But it obviously doesn't bother some people, so fair enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Maybe someday, you'll take some personal responsibility for the destruction of tracts of the countryside with the construction of industrial wind machines, for the lithium mining and other substances required for your huge batteries and for these lying around in dumps for decades to come, slowly degrading and poisoning the land. Green transport, my arse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭harderthanf


    I hope so. The faster we move to self-sufficient sustainable energy - such as clean, industrial on/off shore wind turbines the better.

    Dumping batteries is a no-no. It also makes zero financial sense and if any entity is doing this they will go out of business quick enough - thankfully. Even very old EV batteries have a use after being used in the car - most obvious is the use in solar PV storage. The used batteries can be (and are) recycled and their parts reused - they are still quite valuable.

    The old stories of dumping EV batteries in a landfill is just that. Old and stories..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,173 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    youd rather we continue to burn coal than build wind farms?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Dumping batteries is a no-no. It also makes zero financial sense and if any entity is doing this they will go out of business quick enough - thankfully. Even very old EV batteries have a use after being used in the car - most obvious is the use in solar PV storage. The used batteries can be (and are) recycled and their parts reused - they are still quite valuable.

    My favourite critique, why aren't old EV batteries recycled, because we reuse them instead. It's a waste to recycle something if it can be given a second life as a stationary storage battery where power to weight is less critical. Though I suspect the posters don't really care about recycling and have instead just parroted some oil industry shill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Let us see banks of industrial wind turbines in Dublin Bay - off the coasts of Dalkey, Malahide & Howth. Then we'll get a better idea if the public really buy into industrial wind farms. The reality is more likely a massive battle in the courts to prevent such development. And if it's not good enough there, close to where the energy is needed, why should it be foisted on others elsewhere?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭harderthanf


    This is benefit of living in a demoracy. We get the oppurtunity to voice our objections to such things. I agree there is a place for wind turbines and I am not sure urban areas is that place. But time and requirement will dictate. Something has to be done regardless or we, as nation, will face economical and ecological penalties. We either build the infrastrutre or import - the latter costing a lot more. Having some turbines on a mountain might not be as pretty as without them but what's the alternative. I don't see a viable one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,173 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    what is your alternative to increasing the amount of wind installations?

    And talking about banks of them on the most expensive coastline in the country wont give a better idea if the public really buy into them, itll show how much the residents of those locations buy into them.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Mod Note: If you want to talk about renewable energy infrastructure, I'd suggest the Infra forum https://www.boards.ie/categories/infrastructure, further posts will be removed as off topic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,911 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I'm not surprised that some people have moved back. I bought my mum a smartphone and a few months later I found out she swapped it for old button one. She found the notifications to update apps was driving her bonkers. :)


    An EV isn't for everyone. Some like that you never have to worry about going to petrol stations and it is topped up every night for you as if you had a magic butler. But others don't mind the offset of driving to fill up on petrol in 5 mins and getting hundreds of miles of range.


    For me, I looked at my driving and I go to Dublin or Kerry about once every 2-3 years. That would involve maybe stopping for a 20 min top up on the way home. So I have no need to top up for 999 days out of 1000 so an EV makes sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,916 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I will be holding onto my diesels for a long time yet as I can't buy an EV of the equivalent size, quality, performance and range as my current A7 for the same used-car money (<20k) I paid for this one.

    One other thing I'll note is that all this talk of home charging is great if you own your own house. Not so much if you rent or live in an apartment/terrace/townhouse with no driveway.

    It works for urban dwellers with small mileage and driveways.. that's about it unless you want to add in extra stops and delays on longer trips.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Yep that's def still a problem here, I've not seen any major moves to drastically improve the charging situation for people without private parking. The SEAI are starting to put a grant in place for apartments to install infra, but I think it's going to take a long time before it's seen as a minimum standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    Exactly. It doesn't work for everyone. Which is fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,683 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!



    Did you have a go of doing a proper total cost of ownership calculation on that? Your A7 diesel costing €20k to buy vs say a Tesla Model S costing €32k to buy (not many other big EVs around to compare to a big Audi A7)? I bet if you did, you'd be surprised of the outcome, even if you did below average annual mileage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well back on topic, as an original Green, I think personal car ownership whether EV (or ICE) should be banned in urban and suburban areas. Should be no options except public transport, bike or shanks mare.

    Then leave the EVs or petrol/diesel cars where they are needed - in rural Ireland where there is no and never likely will be adequate public transport.

    That'd be a more sensible approach to personal transport, including EVs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,851 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Great sentiment. But myself and lots of other people would have to close down little successful businesses if that were the case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,911 ✭✭✭Grumpypants



    The problem we have here is that daily life and the weather doesn't support public transport or biking. It's fine if you are an adult that just needs to get into town for 8:30am to go to work.

    But imagine trying to do what I had to do this morning and get three kids under 6 out the door. On a morning like this, trying to push a buggy in this wind and pelting rain, while trying to hold two other kids from running into the road. Even a 2 min wait at a bus stop or a luas stop and you are soaked, then getting off the bus and having to walk 5, 10, 15 mins to the school, then walk 15 mins to the minders. Then try to get home to start work for 9. And then do it all again as you have to pick up the 4 year old at 12, and then again to get the 6 year old at 1:30.

    Cars in cities are necessary for a large chunk of people, not everyone. And if public transport was more reliable, safe and affordable then it could be an option. EVs in the city are the best option. The concentration of fumes in cities, especially around schools is very damaging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There are always solutions to bad weather like appropriate clothing. No reason that with denser network of public transport options that people in urban or suburban areas should need EVs or petrol/ diesel vehicles for personal daily transport. People can / will adapt and manage just as they have for centuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What sort of businesses? Car sales, petrol/ diesel sales? Car valeting, repairs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,851 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    No, but it means travelling to different areas around Dublin from Howth to Stillorgan with two large boxes of equipment.

    I don't want to divulge too much info, but I can PM you if you want?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭innrain


    Absolutely idealist and I love your enthusiasm. Like socialism or communism sounds great in theory but they never work in practice.

    I hope you've actually used the public transport in Dublin. I'm telling you, I made a student loan and bought a Fiat Punto so desperate I was to escape it. Just the dead times when everyone had to get off and on the bus through the driver door were killing me. At busy stops we were still for more than 5 minutes. We have 2 tram lines which don't intersect as in you can't take a tram from South - West. The subway is in planning since forever and the light rail, runs on the coast as a leisure train. Then we build our estates with one single point of entry/exit, build fences around them (afraid of thieves I suppose), and later on we realize we have to go round and round to the corner shop. Or make a hole in the wall. (don't tell the thieves) Everyone wants to live in a house we build rows of them with tiny streets where buses can't get to and apartment dwellers are paupers. We make organizations against building the said apartments because it dilutes the value of the said row of houses which we were not going to sell but rent. Who cares the renters don't have access to public transport.

    Here is my yesterday's timeline

    I did the school run, went to work, met clients, picked up deliveries, extra activities for school, shopping. Didn't leave Dublin. Can you do this on a bus? Especially when is just one per hour? Can you bring your bike on public transport In Dublin? Is public transport dependable? As in would the cresche still be open when the bus will eventually get there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,859 ✭✭✭zg3409


    To be fair Amsterdam has nearly same weather and temperature as Ireland. They have a cycle culture, cycle lanes everywhere and trans everywhere in high rise city centre.

    I agree daycare with 2+ children typically needs a car, and modern child seats need a big car, and because everyone has specialist jobs most people don't work walking or easy bus commuting from their job. Often people switch jobs but cannot move house closer due to kids in school etc. It is a bad planning problem and lack of investment. The "15 minute city" idea where people can walk, cycle, bus, tram to everything they want is pie in the sky. I often travel 140km by car in an evening in addition to creche and work trips.

    One thing I did do was move home closer to work, but that's unviable or impractical for many. I hope to reap the benefit of a zero commute, while my wife works from home. Having said that an EV works for me, but we have a diesel for regular cross country visits to relatives. The diesel often does not move weekdays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭MightyMunster



    EVs best suit rural dwellers who don't have public transport, active travel alternatives. They also do more mileage so save more money. How often do you drive the full range of a diesel without stopping? Never I'd imagine as you'd be doing Mizen to Malin return and would take 15 hours.

    A quick look at done deal says 20k gets you a 10 year old A7 with performance similar to a Nissan Leaf. I'm sure at that age the maintenance costs start to rise based on my experience with older VAGs in the past, timing belts, turbos, gear boxes etc...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,683 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    A diesel with the same off the line performance as a Nissan Leaf is not bad for a diesel 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Clearly, you'd have to permit commercial and business use of vehicles for deliveries and if needed for actual work as in tradespeople.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,851 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I get the kids to and from school and creche by foot/bike/skate and use public transport when I can. I'd never drive in to the city centre unless I really really had to due to equipment. I don't mind public transport and when I started out on this business I tried to do the smaller jobs using public transport. It just didn't work. It couldn't physically work. I tried it.



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