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Am I crazy to want to keep my baby?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Eircom_Sucks




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    This is crazy.

    You're thinking of having a fellas baby who is 17 years younger than you and has already got another woman pregnant before? Hope for the childs sake the right decision is made because the poor child sounds like they would grow up with a lot of half siblings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭foxsake


    how would you ruin his future? I was ambitious or whatever at his age when I found out my first child was due.

    By all measures I'm doing pretty well - few years older than you are at the moment. worked out fine.

    He is an adult. Your posts seem to treat him like he doesn't have his own agency - which begs the question why were you engaging with him in the first place?



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Our standard of living is by objective standards higher than most. It's lower than it has been in years but we have the basics. Roof over heads - I have a very large, beautiful and comfortable home with land, absolute wonderland for children. Food on table - we can no longer afford to eat out at restaurants or getting take aways but I am an excellent cook and we eat well and healthily. Love in the home - I know my older children would love and care for a baby. The older two in particular are very fond of babies. We have enough baby gear to get through the first few years. Child would have hand me downs for sure but I don't see this as a hardship. I am objectively a great mother. All my kids are smart, kind, well adjusted. People come to me for baby advice and I am always the parent the teenagers come to when they can't talk to their own mum and dad. We have no tv and no devices and a house full of art and music. Things we have to do without since money got tight are things like holidays, but we have a big tent and brought kids camping fairly close to home, they were happy. Horses, we can't afford anymore but the kids don't seem to miss it too much and this one would never grow up with that. I do worry about the child not having a father. I do worry about what public opinion will mean for them as a person, but also my other children, particularly the eldest. I know that some of the other boys at school give him a hard time about having a 'MILF'. He has learned from me to not particularly care for what people say or think though. I worry about not being able to pay school fees for the child. The other children's father pays for this. But at least the youngest will be out of primary school by the time the child goes to school so it won't be such a difference if they are not going to the same school.

    I know that it would be better practically for the father and for me if the child were dead. But I can objectively say that the life I could provide the child would be a) better than death, b) better than what a lot of two parent families provide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭laoisgem


    This has to be a wind up 🤨



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    it has taken that turn, it sounds like a sexed up maeve binchy novel or something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    I was his age when I found out my first child was due too. But I was in a solid relationship with someone with a hefty paycheque.

    I suppose I am treating him like a child because I have known him since he was a teenager and I have seen him literally shed tears of fear over the fact he might have to become a father and what it would mean for his career.

    I am sleeping with him because he is a welcome and very attractive distraction from how dull life has become over the last few years. And I do not want a partner and he is not going to go shouting about it. And I am very fond of him. I just don't particularly want to go around adulting with him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig




  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Without totally doxxing myself, my job involves making people's boring lives sound exciting for consumption. It's a gift and a curse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,078 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    possible abortion, and a very quick visit to a counsellor/therapist! best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Unfortunately its all about the money.

    If you believe that you can afford to give your other children and this one a good start in life at least until they are 18 years old, then go ahead.

    Don't worry about what other people think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    How far gone are you into the pregnancy? I would say this plays a significant factor in deciding what to do. If it's very recent, I'd say an abortion would be the best option for all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Get counciling, ring helplines (make sure they are impartial non religious). It sounds like you are on the fence, in crisis, need support, need assistance. It may be hard to talk with friends, partners , even talking out loud to a stranger on the phone can help. Boards.ie has lots of opinions, but none of them may be right for you and it's not a good format for chatting and getting a weight off your chest. Your decision will waver many times, which is normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Idle Passerby


    Your coming across very immature for a 40 year old single mother of four OP. Maybe it's the confusion of the situation clouding your judgement but gushing over some "breathtakingly beautiful" "bright young man with a promising future" whose also riding half the town without a condom, sounds like the romantic dillusions of a 15 year-old.

    I can't believe you thought it was a good idea to pretend the baby was your gay friends. Who would've been expected to buy that ridiculous story? The beautiful lothario? The gay friend? The child? Lies affecting several people's lives there.

    If you want to keep the baby that's your prerogitive but at least be honest with everyone involved. The truth would out eventually anyway and you'd end up the bad guy for concocting the web of lies to begin with.

    I think your more embarrassed about the fling coming out than ruining some irresponsible young lads reputation. (He's not doing much to promote his good reputation so why do you feel the need to protect it?) Put on your big girl pants and deal with the situation like a responsible grown up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Well Mr ambitious won't get too far if he's so afraid of getting women pregnant he's going around with his willy unwrapped.

    You're sounding like someone who's playing the role of his mother.."he's the apple in his families eye", "I don't want to ruin his career as he's ambitious", "I don't want anyone to know as his sisters will kill him", "there's been lots of tears over him in the town"

    He sounds like a spoilt child who needs to grow up.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Op it sounds like you want to keep your baby, and I think the best thing is to have everything out in the open.

    Tell the father. Give him the option to be involved or not, and if he doesn't want to, you can explore the possibility of raising your child with your gay friend and Co-parenting together, but please do it all legally and above board.

    The father might decide in later years that he wants to be involved, and that must remain an option for him.

    Im sure you could find a solicitor who specialises in family law to help you all navigate through this.

    Oh and don't listen to the nonsense about it being high risk pregnancy just because you're 40. You've had 4 pregnancies before, all healthy I presume? 40 is not old to be having another baby, not these days.

    Good luck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    It's only six weeks. If I were going to abort I was advised to wait two weeks and get the surgical so I could be sure I wouldn't have a reaction while I was trying to look after my kids with no one to look after me. If I get the dnc I can be better by the time the kids get home from their dad's after the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


     As much as I know it's madness I would love to have another child.

    It seems as if you have already made up your mind, and looking for reconfirmation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭boardlady


    Hi OP. How about this - just came into my head. You tell him, but the two of you agree to keep it between you (in as much as you can). If you are happy to raise the baby without any input from him (apart from his knowledge of his child's existence), and he is happy to know you are doing so and have it not affect his life for the next few decades or so, then why not try that? You can tell the nosey folks it was a passing sailor if you like! I know the father has rights, but so do you as the woman carrying this child. You clearly want the baby, so all that's really concerning you at the moment seems to be the logistics of who knows what. Perhaps your gay friend could take on a sort of 'uncle' role where he is very involved, as your friend, in the rearing of your children. Most of us have friends/family that fulfil that role anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Good start in life is all relative. Better than the national average, yes. Better than what my existing children have, almost certainly no.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig




  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Thank you, that does seem like the logical thing to do



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Kingkong


    Their is a lot of emotion in this thread fueled in part by being the sole care giver of 4 young children. Your in a hard situation blaming and giving out isn't going to change anything in the past .

    I would suggest you need to think forward a few years from now & what your 4 kids will need and how you're going to do it because no one else is coming to help or rescue you & your 4 kids (schools, college, accommodation etc.... ).

    Having a 5th child comes down to you being able to look after your current children first and foremost. If you feel your are falling apart now and a new born is going make it all better, perhaps in the short term it will but when the music stops you now have 5 kids to care for with no excuses.

    Maybe in your case it would be worth asking for some help (welfare or others bodies) and maybe talk to a professional counselor face to face. These threads aren't great for this sort of thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    You are not wrong. Unpleasant but true. His sisters will be fine with him, they will dote on him. They will kill me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    How do you know his sisters?

    In any case, he didn't wear protection so tell his sisters to cop the hell on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    House is mortage free, I got it in the divorce. School and college for the older four will be paid for by their father. I will probably have to send the fifth child to national school but (and god I hate myself for even typing this) I will probably inherit enough to put them through college by the time that comes around.

    There is a part of me that is thinking I started seeing this young man because it was excitement and attention in a time when there was not so much going on for me, maybe I see the baby in the same way. Maybe that's why the child is so appealing to me. Definitely something to ponder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    You really need to cop on. You aren't the lad you screwed's mother, stop infantalising him. "He needs to concentrate on his work" - Nonsense, he needs to concentrate on not getting half the town pregnant. He stuck his mickey in unprotected after already having a pregnancy scare, this is on him as much as it is on you. And be respectful to your unborn child. They have a right to know who their father is, fcuk everyone else and think of the child and their future development.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    It's a small place. The sisters are around my age. We have lots of friends in common and our professions intersect. He was the late afterthought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Idle Passerby


    These are the concerns of a teenager. "Oh no his sister's will be mean to me". Surely you realise you have far bigger fish to fry than dealing with a crowd of overprotective wagons who have nothing better to do than treat their adult brother like he's a precious little prince. Forget the sisters, their opinions are totally irrelevant to your main concern which should be the baby your planning to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Ultimately I believe you will be fine in the long run. Boards.ie is not always the best place for advice but if you have a strong will and by the look of it you do, I am sure you will be ok. All I can say is if you wish to keep the child, do, don't make decisions on what other people tell you to do, as you will never be 100% happy in that way. Here's wishing you the best.

    Dan

    Post edited by nigeldaniel on

    Dan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Pistachio19


    This idiot needs a lesson in adulthood. Why the hell are you worried about him and his career and what his sisters think? He's not 12 years old. He's old enough to know the consequences of unprotected sex, and given he already impregnated one girl (and possibly more that he doesn't yet know about) you'd think he'd learn from it. Stop treating him like a child and make him man up to his responsibilities. This child deserves to know who his father is as he grows up and pretending its your gay friend is not the solution. You need to consider the financial side of things and at the very least ensure he pays towards his child's upbringing, whether he wants to co parent or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,955 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Why do you think you'd need a DNC after 6 weeks? Typically it's after 12



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭boardlady


    Incorrect. D&C is only possible up to about 12 weeks. I didnt see this being asked but, after 12 weeks is a 'delivery', be it miscarriage, abortion or delivery.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    worry about ruining a bright young man's future for my selfish desire to keep the child. And the sisters...they love me but they are formidable. They could make life very difficult for us both. I'd be happier to hide away with my mystery baby.

    All this is just waffle. He's a 23 year old adult. It's a long time since he was "the baby" of the family. If you're/they're using that excuse at 23 you'll still be using it at 33 and 43.

    He could just as easily have gotten a 23 year old girlfriend pregnant.

    Your options are abort the baby (doesn't seem to be an option you're considering) or tell him. The option of pretending it's your gay friend's is not an option. Would you falsify the birthcert, a legal document? Would you pretend to your 23 year old bf that you mysteriously got pregnant by your gay friend whilst in a relationship with him? Your child is entitled to know their true family background. For medical history for one.

    Make your decision, independent of anyone else. Chances are you're going to be a single parent to this baby anyway, so don't abort it for someone else's sake. He always has the option of walking away and pretending you and the baby don't exist.

    I think you need to take everyone else out of the equation for the moment. Him, his sisters, the neighbours, the gay friend. Realistically you are going to be raising this baby alone. Even if he decides to be involved you are likely to the the primary carer. So remove everyone else for the moment and just think about what YOU want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    I was told wait until 8 weeks to be sure that they see it and get it all out. Less chance of retained products of conception apparently. If I do terminate I want it quick and clean without having to worry about haemorrhaging while I have four kids in my care with no one to look after me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    He's old enough to know the consequences of unprotected sex,

    Fair enough, but this applies to the OP also surely?

    If I was in her position, I would not be relying on the village sleazebag to look after the contraception.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    I realise that lying about the father is madness. I was feeling like I was going crazy when I made the post, thought of the idea, all of it, which is why I asked the question, am I batshit insane.

    I realise that as unpalatable as it is I will have to tell him if I want to keep the child. However, there's no reason that we need to tell anyone else, at least initially. It would make everything easier for him, for me, for my children. I do think or hope there will be a difference between me, a grown woman and already a mother, coming to him with a plan, rather than a distressed teenager crying to him that she needs him and she doesn't know what to do. Really I should give him a little more credit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,955 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    This was advice from my independent midwife who I had for my previous births. She said I could take the pills but there was no guarantee that I would have fully passed the foetus by the time my kids were back from their dad's. She said it would be safer and easier for me to have the dnc, particularly since I've had four vaginal births.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭victor8600


    A point to consider is that the baby (when she/he grows up) has a right to know who their biological father is. Also, you don't really know how your lover will react, you just assume that he does not need to know. Tell him the truth, and work out his future involvement together. Personally, if I had made someone pregnant, I would prefer to know it sooner, rather than finding out when the baby is 25 and on the quest to find out their biological father.



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Kingkong


    Sile sounds like you could have a 5th so. Being happy is the most important thing. Maybe chat to the older 4 Dad though and be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond. Even the ones who told me I'm immature and selfish. When I wrote the OP I was spinning out, felt like I was going nuts. I see now the empirically insane idea to avoid the conversation and give my gay friend the baby he really wants was just a bargaining tactic on behalf of my distressed mind to somehow trick myself into thinking I don't have to face my responsibilities. Its process. I think for now I will just focus on looking after myself and my children. If I am still pregnant at fifteen weeks I will have a discreet conversation with the father. That way it is presented as a fait accompli. I don't have to give him the option to persuade me to have an abortion because I don't think that would serve either of us. And there is a chance I will lose the baby before then. I have had miscarriages before. In which case I will have put him and us through the strain of knowing for no reason. I will give him the option of being the 'silent partner' if he so wishes. I imagine I will tell my children around the same time. I really don't need to announce it to community, it's nobody's business but mine. If people talk, **** them. My midwife already knows so I can arrange all the appropriate tests and birthing plan etc through her. I will get a friend and possibly my daughter if she's keen to be my birthing partners. I will offer him the opportunity to be present if he so wishes. Does this sound like a more measured and mature response? I am trying to do the right thing here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Oh God I hadn't even thought of what he will say. He will absolutely lose his ****...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Senature


    This may not be relevant but the father of the older 4 children may not be so keen to pay 100% of their school and college expenses if you are not looking for support from the father of this baby. Does he pay maintenance as well as all the educational expenses? Why do you expect to make no financial contribution to these expenses, or is it that you cover their day to day expenses and he covers education?

    You might be rocking the boat more than you think here, and asking a lot of your older children into the bargain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Well doesn't this also say something about the future child's welfare? There's a reasonable chance you'll be ill in future, how would that work with a baby if it doesn't work with four older kids now?

    On the face of it from what you've said you could provide a nice upbringing for the child but there's absolutely no margin for error there, all you need is a bit of bad luck and things could go drastically wrong. A single parent looking to have a fifth child in order to occupy herself, or feel a connection or something equally self-centred, is frankly horrifying.

    That said if you are having this child you absolutely can tell the father and no one else, I'd say you have a moral obligation to do so, both for his sake and the child's. And then it's up to them both how much they want to be in each others lives.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Ah OP...you don't want to do it.Don't force yourself to because you think it is "practical".

    You're a mother, you know what it involves to have another child.I don't get the impression you could live easily with an abortion.Because whatever about the money or the father or whatever else, you have to live with that in your heart for the rest of your life.Can you do that?Your kids need a mammy who is well and able....I don't get the feeling you would be the better for ending this pregnancy.It has to be your decision, amd yours alone, don't feel it needs to be jusitifed to anyone else.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The way you speak about the man you are riding, like he is a child, is really weird.

    --------------------------------

    Edit: sorted for you @bubblypop 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    This certainly sounds much better. It's not an easy question and there's no "Right" answer, but I think you're closer to one with this approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,970 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Extrapolate this out for the next 12-odd years and ask yourself if you're really in a position to have this baby. If you have no one to look after you now, then who are you going to turn to when the sh*t hits the fan at any other time during their childhood?



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    He pays the minimum amount of child support required by law plus he pays for private education and big expenses. Whether he likes it or not it is in the divorce settlement. Trust me he can afford it. He is still able to live the lifestyle we had when we were married with his new girlfriend. He will not be happy about the concrete evidence that I have not actually joined a nunnery since he left though...



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