The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

callaway92 · 15-02-2022 4:11pm

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It's not copying Limerick. It's adapting to a modern play style. I would say that Limerick would be good to emulate to an extent. It's the percentage play the majority of the time (far better than belting long balls down and hoping to win a 50/50).

You're spot on though that there's two things hugely important about playing a short game - 1) Players are actually good on the ball and incredibly fast decision makers and 2) There's a plan of action once the ball reaches the first back from the goalkeeper

nklc · 15-02-2022 8:09pm

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I don’t believe we have the players to play that style successfully. Personally I’d be glad if we don’t. What I’ve seen of Wexford so far , it looks like Darraghs undoing all Davy’s nonsense of fooling around with the ball in their own half . Let’s see how it develops with Tipp

timmymagoo · 15-02-2022 8:11pm

People are listening to Davy and Donal og and Derek McGrath too much.

the game is still built around the same age old principles strength stamina speed and skill

since 2014 the all Ireland winner has been the team with the best players not system

Limerick will win this year if they play to any form and they could do with any system they want.

evolvingtipperary101 · 15-02-2022 10:29pm

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No problem - I still think John McGrath, Noel McGrath (just back from honeymoon), and Bubbles will start. Callanan has a chance too. There's a big difference when Ronan starts rather than coming on for the last 20 mins. I reckon there's a few chapters to come in the career of Bonner Maher too - although most seem to have forgotten he is on the panel. I'd expect Brian McGrath and Cadell to start this year.

callaway92 · 15-02-2022 11:15pm

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I’d lean towards agreeing with you there

The problem though against coming up against short-game teams is if their half-back line are happy to shoot from their own half/inside their 65m line then it’s trouble

Ompala · 15-02-2022 11:53pm

My fear with Noel is his legs seem to be gone for intercounty. Could still offer something in closing stages when games tend to be a bit more loose. Think John would be best in half forward line. Agree on Paddy Cadell (who was solid when he came on on Sunday) and particularly Brian McGrath. Full back is one area we do need to solve.

evolvingtipperary101 · 16-02-2022 2:12am

I'd be confident of James Quigley playing well at full back.

The oul legs. Noel never had the legs for intercounty. Didn't need them. That's not his type of game. Speed? They posted the same stuff about Jason Forde and John McGrath. Plenty of fast lads around inter county who don't do much, except run down blind alleys. Didn't do much for Cork in the last year's final. All the top players have a lot more going for them than speed. Touch and accuracy being number one and two - accurate in the pass, shot, tackle, and hand pass. If we're leaning towards a passing game - short and long mix - won't be better boy that Noel. Limerick often uses a midfielder, if not both, to get back to pick up Hannon's man. You also have Hegarty and Morrissey coming back to plug gaps. Hannon doesn't have to mark much. This allows him to play the quarterback role. Noel has been doing that at times - but I'd expect more of a role like that than ever before for Noel or someone else. Could be Ronan. I think they tried Dan in that role against Laois. It was an atrocious night but Dan is a specialist in getting ball, not feeding ball. Dan's passing did not go well that night. That's Noel's game.

robbiezero · 17-02-2022 12:51pm

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I think we need to have both a short and long game. If you have only a long, direct game you are too predictable and easy to defend against. The opposition can just leave the centre back sit deep and pick up breaking ball all day. The opposition half back line can afford to drop back that bit further also compressing the space for our inside line.

In the first half v Limerick last year, we had a lovely mix of both. We were finding Forde dropping deep with short balls which he was converting and we were also playing long balls to great effect when Limerick half back line had to follow their men out the field. Probably the only period in the last few years that Limerick were really at sixes and sevens.

nklc · 17-02-2022 3:33pm

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Would be great to have both but we rarely look comfortable playing out of defense. Also not too many clubs in Tipp play that short game , so it’s a bit alien to a lot of players. The Waterford style short puck out is another option , where the keeper gets to hit it again 30 yards from his goal , but it takes a mobile keeper. The other options are to drive it a hundred yards down the field and get the players to fight a lot harder for it , worked for kilkenny and limerick for years

farmerval · 17-02-2022 11:47pm

The plusses and minuses of the passing your way out of defence style were very evident for ballygunner in the club final, when they could play through the lines and send in ball to Dessie Hutchinson from the midfield or Ballyhale 65 he was unstoppable, however they also were turned over several times in their own half back line trying to play it out.

Changing style will require changes in personnel too. Seamus Kennedy can be quite dopey when passing the ball at the back, we'll need midfielders that get on the ball a lot more, I think Paddy Cadell will suit this style.

Currently Ronan, Cathal Barret and Barry Heffernan are certain starters. The other three defenders will depend on a few things.

Dan McCormack, Jason Forde, and Jake Morris will definitely start, almost certainly John McGrath also, but that's only 7 out of 14 outfield players.

evolvingtipperary101 · 18-02-2022 3:05pm

Watched Bryan O'Mara last night, for UL. Tipp is missing out on some talent.

89tipp91 · 18-02-2022 6:56pm

He's not on the panel because he's going travelling is that right?

evolvingtipperary101 · 18-02-2022 8:00pm

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That's it, apparently. Has to be more to it, i'd say. Travelling doesn't suggest career to me. Unless it's career based, I can't understand it. Because if it's just travelling...you have the whole of your life to do that. You have ten years to play with Tipp, if you're lucky. Must be a career based decision.

Maybe he has never had a break from hurling.

Ompala · 19-02-2022 5:10pm

Watching Bryan O Mara landing long range frees in the Fitzgibbon Final reminds me of Ronan Maher for Mary I a number of years ago. He's been excellent in the tournament.

Mantis Toboggan · 19-02-2022 6:26pm

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O'Mara is going on a J1 to the US so no chance to play for tipp.

evolvingtipperary101 · 20-02-2022 12:49am

Good win tonight for UL. Connolly outstanding when the game was in the melting pot. O'Mara also to the forefront throughout. Massive losses to Tipp this season. These guys can really play.

O'Connor, who is on the panel, was good too.

Cleere, even as linesman, found a way to make a hames of it all. Getting Cian Lynch sent off for nothing. Not a big game ref - should be left at club level. We're short on refs and they get a lot of abuse, but the GAA need to mind Sean here. It's not for him.

Also, an email has been sent around by Donal Smith to refs to target the illegal hand pass. It'll be interesting to see how this will affect games. There'll be a lot of frees before this is stamped out...

timmymagoo · 20-02-2022 10:26am

Omara off to the states and I hope he enjoys himself, had a great time myself over there

we have what we have

tipp have not been in a semi since 2019 and that is unlikely to change this year unless the new talent are especially good, it’s hard to know how they will go.

timmymagoo · 20-02-2022 10:43am

Below is the starting team v Waterford last year, a game tipp were in for large parts but in reality Waterford were the better team.

alot of transition needed in tipp and that will probably mean a tough championship.

Kennedy John McGrath kehoe connors and Niall omeara came On as subs

Barry Hogan; Cathal Barrett; Padraic Maher, Barry Heffernan; Paddy Cadell, Brendan Maher, Ronan Maher; Alan Flynn, Michael Breen; Jason Forde, Noel McGrath, Dan McCormack; Jake Morris, John O’Dwyer, Seamus Callanan.

nklc · 20-02-2022 8:00pm

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Saw it on Twitter last night and my immediate thought was that Lynch swung at him , but when looked at again, its obviously a tangle between legs and Hurley . Cleere was turning his view towards it as it happened and made the same mistake I did . I like him as a referee

PeggyShippen · 21-02-2022 7:07pm

He couldn't have been sure though. Cleere made an incorrect assumption at best. That's the exact opposite of what refs are taught. You have to see the incident fully and you have to be sure. It was very very poor. The thing is...these reffing decisions are happening now. By the time the championship starts the refs will have a light on them with regards to how they are overly focused Limerick. And Limerick will steamroll everyone again.

Ompala · 24-02-2022 9:17pm

Tipp vs Dublin on Saturday is on GAAGO for €5

Ompala · 24-02-2022 10:34pm

Bonnar certainly trying players out.

farmerval · 25-02-2022 10:28pm

Good to see Brian McGrath, Connolly, Byrne, and Cadell start, they've all had good cameos. Be interesting to see what Paul Flynn will bring.

evolvingtipperary101 · 25-02-2022 11:02pm

A management team in place a few months against a Dublin team in year 4 with Kenny. I wouldn't hold out much hope for a result. Be a disaster for Kenny if he loses this.

I'm almost sure Dublin beat Tipp in the league in Sheedy's first year too.

It's just important that some guys that taking ownership of the jersey.

Ompala · 26-02-2022 8:15pm

After watching us twice this year, the movement in our forwards is worrying. No point in the backs handpassing it and working it through the lines if no one inside is making any runs. Dublin deserved the win tonight, much more structure to their play. They outfought Tipp most of the night, particularly their half forward line. We only seemed to get to the pitch of the game in the last 10 mins.

farmerval · 26-02-2022 9:10pm

We really looked like we hadn't a clue what we were trying to do. Jason Forde running off his man only works if Forde is getting the ball, no point if the centre back is mopping everything up.

Three, four, five slow passes around the back before sending a long ball forward, gives loads of time for the opposition defence to set. Even our hurling looked clumsy tonight, like we had no hurling done. We were breaking lots of ball, mostly to no purpose.

Don't know how the newer lads went, Connolly was under lots of pressure in the first half, Dublin targeted his corner a lot. Brian McGrath was rounded easy enough for the second goal. Robert Byrnes did some good things, the ref seemed harsh on him though.

In reality Dublin were 5-6 points the better team. Tipp ending with three wides in row I think, summed them up.

Fred Astaire · 26-02-2022 10:27pm

We were abysmal. Scoreline really flattered us because there was a time there with the wind behind them where Dublin could have pushed on and won by 9 or 10. Instead they started to take the foot off the gas a bit.

Credit in the fact that our last 10 mins showed a lot of heart and we could easily have snatched the draw considering as mentioned above we had a flurry of chances in injury time, but it would have been a robbery of seismic proportions.

Callanan's performance was up there with his worst ever performances. He barely had a sniff of it and anytime the sliotar came near him he fluffed his lines. Wasn't much in the way of movement or workrate from him either. A really shocking performance.

I've come to terms with the fact that it would be a minor miracle if we won a championship game this year.

This Bonnar regime is not going to be looked back on fondly I expect.

evolvingtipperary101 · 26-02-2022 10:33pm

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You're optimistic anyway...👀👀

Fred Astaire · 26-02-2022 10:39pm

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It's quite hard to be at the moment.

That performance tonight was putrid.

I'll be there win or lose and I hope things start improving but I fully expect this year will be a disaster for us.

evolvingtipperary101 · 26-02-2022 11:11pm

If anyone went to that game and expected a rookie full back line to have a good night or not be under pressure, you're not watching the inter county scene long. Lots to be positive about - lots to be concerned about. Same as any league game in my living memory - apart from the few times we had resounding wins.

The major positive out of the night is Barry Hogan's puck outs and his imagination and quickness. Definitive number one for me. Drier conditions will be better for him - but he has a playmaker quality for me and should be the number 1.

Tough conditions tonight - awful, awful swirling wind.

Connolly got his full game and a taste of it.

Robert Byrne scored a few good points and was physical.

Brian McGrath has too much to offer as a player to be tied down at full back. And is too light at this level to fill that gap.

Kennedy is not a 6 or a sweeper. He's a wing back.

Alan Flynn is not a 6 or midfielder at this level. Breen, underwhelming again. Breen and Alan Flynn should be benched for the next game at least. I don't see why they're included with the undroppables.

Don't know why Cadell was taken off and others left on.

Some of the forwards work rate was poor - running off the ball and showing for the ball, in particular. Or is it confusion at what to do? It must be difficult to time your run while short passing is going on in the backs - but they've got to put their heads together to come up with something though. Chopping and changing personnel can't help, but it has to be figured out.

In my opinion, a lot of the tactics are correct but a lot of the personal given the jobs are not correct. Why would you have Kennedy as a sweeper when you've got out-and-out ball playing defenders who can read the game, pass short and long, like Ronan Maher, Brian McGrath, or Cadell that could do the job. Baffling. Kennedy is not as good on the ball as these men - he is a scoring wing back and a tight marker. Right tactics, wrong personnel. And it's happening in a lot of the lines of the team.

p.s. Shout out to Tommy Dunne's first touch in the warm up - working with the keeper - man is unreal. Drifting over points from out on the wing in the swirling wind. He must be nearly fifty?

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