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Male Victims of Domestic Violence

  • 17-02-2022 1:28am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭


    Happened to read Mens Aid today as I was looking for info on something for a friend. The website carried a statistic that alarmed me

    1 in 7 men will experience domestic violence

    1 in 6 men will suffer 'severe domestic violence'

    The number of calls they recieved during the pandemic is staggering - an increase of 5,000 in 2020 to 8,000 in 2021.

    "The support service for male victims of domestic violence has recorded a 60% increase in calls in the past year.

    Men’s Aid revealed that approximately 8,000 contacts to the service were received since January 1, 2021 — up from just over 5,000 in 2020.

    Chief executive of Men’s Aid, Kathrina Bentley, said the majority of abusers in the 8,000 cases were women — accounting for 94%."

    Then today I read about the opening of new refuge service around the country for victims. The language used was quite interesting - it was going to be for families and statistically while women are mentioned, I couldnt help thinking men seem to be forgotten about in this melee. With no real male refuge open (Mens Aid website reports) you would hope that this would be a game changer and that things would improve.

    Are things changing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    This sort of thing will only increase with all the extreme feminists about. They would get off on abusing men. There are some up sides to being a bachelor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    I'm confused. only 14% of men will experience DV but 16% will experience severe DV

    how can the second be higher than the first?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,900 ✭✭✭Quality




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I'd guess 1 in 7 men will experience it and of them a 1/6 will experience severe domestic violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    it's the mental abuse with women more than violence in my opinion, most men i know are afraid of their life to even have an opinion around their other half, i mean ask yourself in all the couples you know, who is the boss ? It's hardly ever the man, like Baywatch above, There are some up sides to being a bachelor.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    Mate that link is pure thrash


    Statistics show its mainly women affected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Women are much more likely to use coercive control in a relationship which is often ignored as domestic abuse. How many men are told they aren't allowed do something or break friendships due to their female partner. It is played for laughs quite often.

    I know 2 men who had partners intentionally get pregnant against the will of the men. You can joke about they were not forced to have sex but they were told and believed the women were taking contraception and they were in relationships. One didn't want any children ever and the other didn't really either but said maybe in the future. Men have been charged with rape for interfering with contraception.

    So it worked out in one relationship as he got used to the idea and accepted it what she did and forgave her

    The other is a disaster, they hate each other and she uses the child as bargaining chip often not letting him see the child. He is very honest that he never wanted children but this is his child and he wants to be in her life.

    That is bad enough but what I found worse was when talking to my mother she saw no issue with it and so did some of my female friends. Their view was women have limited time and if the guy doesn't want children that doesn't really matter due to the ticking time bomb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Are all these men or women who identify as men just to clarify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,454 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Society/the herd/women do not and never will care about domestic abuse of men. Society abhors "weak" men, it's similar with mental health and no amount of Darkness Into Light or advising men to open up about their issues changes those primal instincts.

    If criticism and verbal humiliation are included in the definition of abuse, a large percentage of men in relationships experience it.

    The problem is that women want badasses who tick all the boxes. Most men are far from being badass but women's eggs aren't going to fertilise themselves - so they "settle" and then resent their partner, niggling at him for not being good enough.

    How many TV ads make a joke put of "useless" men, dopey dads etc. Abuse of men is endemic in society. Men are also routinely mocked for things they have zero control over such as height.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Second post and straight in with this.

    I spent some time looking into the Men's Rights thing and it's nothing more than a group of angry men who hate feminists. You'll never see these people lobby for better access to therapy for depression, volunteer to help men with issues or anything like that. It's solely about hating feminists (and sometimes women in general as well).

    My Damascene moment came when I was following a men's rights group on Facebook based here in the UK. A woman was trying to set up a Men's Shed. Every so often, she'd post about assembling things, dealing with the council, getting premises and the like. Not one of the angry little men moaning about nonsense bothered to help her in any way. Not one.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Strong bang of “Current Affairs” off this one.

    Same crowd who bleat on about the over representation of people of colour on tv ads are now trying to make out that men are the “real victims”, once again.

    Greater policing of, and stronger sentences for, perpetrators of domestic abuse, both male and female, would be great but, let’s face it, the women’s prisons won’t be the ones filling up fast.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I'm very lucky in that my other half hasn't a cruel nasty bone in her body but there are a minority of women who would strip paint with their acid tongue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    A new record for boards.ie, it took two posts to blame Feminists for men suffering from domestic violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    It's about the narrative and public perception that has been created by feminist ideologues, that men are always the abusers, this leaves men who suffer abuse marginalised socially and reluctant to reach out ,add to that the man's spouse can claim it was he who was committing the abuse and the instinct of authorities will be to believe her ,police are influenced by this feminist created narrative too . Every police force is rife with political influences



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    Yes, people talk all the time about how men should 'be vulnerable' and all that namby pamby stuff. Women like strong men. So do men. And men like to be strong. I don't see anything wrong with that. And because men are strong or supposed to be they are not likely to report domestic violence to other men. He'd feel like a pushover. Domestic violence against men is not as visible because it is not usually physical, it is psychic/psychological/emotional so you can't photograph it and go to the police with physical evidence. Men attack the body, women attack the mind and soul. Men need to be able to identify violence because a lot of them don't realize what is happening. He says 'she's a psycho'. She's not a psycho, she knows exactly what she is doing.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Women's "prison" hahaha.

    Dochas Centre

    Prisoners are accommodated in seven separate houses with each house accommodating ten to twelve people except for one called Cedar which can accommodate eighteen women. The pre-release centre called Phoenix accommodates women in private rooms or in self-contained studio apartments. Inmates live in en-suite rooms with keys to their rooms meaning they can move about relatively freely. Houses are locked at 7.30pm with all the women in the prison being locked into their rooms at that time except for women in Cedar and Phoenix Houses. Houses and rooms are unlocked at 7.30am. Prisoners organise their own breakfasts in the kitchens of the houses and eat lunch with prison staff in the dining room with an evening meal being served in the dining room at 5pm. Each house has a kitchen/dining room with sitting room facility which contains a television and reading material.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Dismissing men's groups just as feminist groups were dismissed in the past as just angry.

    There are certainly legitimate concerns for equal rights for men and the narrative in media. Look at the Johnny Depp situation and the absolute mess made. We have an abusive person using the narrative against men to abuse some more.

    If people don't see an issue with the education system where male students grades are constantly going down and less and less men are becoming teachers, we have a problem. It would not be tolerated if it was the other way around but it is passed off as female students are more mature and study better. It is amazing that it is ignored



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    Different studies show different results. But how do you measure violence? How do you measure psychological abuse? How do you prove years of carefully calculated malice? When coercive control is included the numbers for men jump dramatically Domestic Violence Against Men · NCDV

    Most of the domestic violence I am aware of is against men. But I can't show you photographs of it because it doesn't register on film.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    That has occurred to me recently enough too, I was thinking of a number of couples I know and it’s the men who need to ask permission to do something or go on a night out or a day away, it’s the men afraid to buy something for themselves without running it past the wife. I see these men getting a dressing down from the wife in front of others in public. I see wives who are clearly the boss more often than vice versa. Plenty of equal partnerships and the odd one where the man wears the trousers. But it is an eye opener all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    What do you care you just dismiss it? Do I only have the option to ignore them or join them?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    That happens because men often don't understand how control and manipulation and semantics work.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Yeah you dismiss because you can't engage. No different from the women who fought against women's rights. Lack of solidarity with men is part of the problem and that would be you in this case



  • Registered Users Posts: 603 ✭✭✭zedhead


    I also think of how many men expect this sort of behaviour and think its the norm. I have had colleagues who were shocked that I "let" my partner do certain things - like plan a night out last minute and leave me home alone. Or letting him have female friends. Not checking his phone. I was so surprised by how many of the men thought all of that behaviour was part and parcel of being in a relationship. Its definitely dangerous but it all of these stereotypes that are considered to be the norm foster a society where abuse goes unnoticed/ignored. I would be mortified if my husband felt like he needed to ask my permission to do something.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To clarify, I dismissed the angry men on the internet, not men's issues. Nice bit of gaslighting there.

    Anyway, since you've no interest in anything beyond outrage, I'll leave it there.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I didn't gaslight but there you show toxic masculinity in that you have to put down others to feel your point is valid. Where you actually made up a narrative about me unlike me pointing out what you said. I am not outraged just think it is sad how men can't show solidarity which you illustrated perfectly.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,606 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Men aren't a hive mind. I'm allowed my own opinion last time I checked. Solidarity is much more than meaningless likes and thumbs up on the internet. It's real work which angry men on the internet have zero interest in.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Yet when you said you will leave it there you couldn't. Have your own opinions all you like without putting others down. This shows you are the angry man. You probably don't understand this given what you have said. I will leave it there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    He’s not the one coming across as angry, at all, pal.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,454 ✭✭✭BrianD3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    the current narrative in terms of how the male - female dynamic functions within the context of spousal abuse whereby its assumed that abuse is always committed by the male is one which was created by feminist ideologues , Im not angry about anything , im marrying a very kind hearted and gentle woman



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    the post was complete bollox. that it was the first response makes it even more so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    It's perfectly reasonable to be angry about male issues, Male domestic abuse is a serious and underappreciated thing.

    It's not in anyway productive to be angry that "extreme feminists" don't recognise this, or are putting out a different "narrative".

    People who conflate these two positions (like the second poster here) are not being good advocates for male issues, they are leading to counter-productive balkanisation within interested parties.

    It's perfectly possible to criticise holders of the latter position while supporting the former, which is what posters in this thread seem to be trying to do by attacking the second post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    if you wont accept that a dominant narrative exists surrounding this area , we can only hope youre mind opens a little , calling other views " bollox" seems to be the height if youre understanding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Extreme femists...who get off on abusing men

    yeah, total bollox.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Find it very telling that “certain” posters aren’t trotting out the ‘any of the male victims of domestic abuse I know just want to get on with their lives and ignore all the nonsense’ line.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    not the point that was made but seeing as you enjoy building strawmen , knock yourself out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    yeah. Woman gets raped on a night out: her own fault

    men on the receiving end of domestic abuse : is the extreme feminists fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    that is what the post says. I used the same words. that was exactly the point made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,810 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Actually go back and read what was posted and you will see it was me he was dismissing and gaslighted not the post you think. You made a mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    So? The response you are reply to was to my post not the second post. Go look. He accused me of gaslighting when it was him. You weren't/aren't responding to the "second post" or a comment on it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    What's your point here?

    There are a minority of men who do likewise.

    Maybe you might think they are being cutting, but maybe they cant stand people going on about WOKE all the time. That would fry your last nerve, man or woman.



  • Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Pretty sure the point is that no matter what you're annoyed by, the answer is not emotional abuse. Considering this thread is specifically about domestic abuse of males being under recognised as an issue you saying "men do it too" is less than helpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    anyone with an ounce of sense knows full well that both men and women can be extremely verbally abusive but throwing the obvious fact in during a discussion about male victims of domestic violence is designed purely to muddy the waters



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