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The Canada Convoy

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  • Posts: 5,869 [Deleted User]


    No idea. But it's greater than zero, and that's too many in my book. It should also be too many in most peoples' books also, but here we are. The fact that the leaders and organisers are so openly racist and anti-semitic should have everyone distancing themselves as much as possible, yet, again, here we are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    There are no nazis or racists at the convoy these are just terms of hatred used by Trudeau hoping to turn the people against them yes there are a few red necks you'd have to be to drive those trucks on the ice roads in Canada,. These men lead solitary lives on the road 24/7 they are as tough as you can find and they can withstand most things & a lot of hardship, its a waiting game. They are not intimidated by much and all trudeau is, is a pretty boy Schwabian disciple. Pfffh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    According to witnesses, there were no guys with nazi supporting flags. There was one guy with a flag with a swaztika and Trudeaus face on it. He was claiming that, under Trudeau leadership Canada would have a Nazi-like future.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    White Supremacists - check

    Nazis - check

    Trump - check

    Justin Barret - check

    Hate brown people - check

    Anti-EU sentiment - check

    Knuckle draggers - check

    Hatred of Jews - check (though that is a fairly left wing stance you see)

    You missed Borris and Bolsonaro, you almost had the full house in Red Army Faction Bingo! Try harder next time. 😜



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,276 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Here's a pretty good article on The Hill outlining the craziness of all this.

    Trudeau is going to be on the wrong side of history here but rather than admit defeat it's the white supremacists hiding under the bed who are to blame.

    Remember, all the multi ethnic people taking part in the convoy are just too dumb to realise it's actually a secret KKK plot to overthrow the Canadian government.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 5,869 [Deleted User]


    There has been photos of guys with flags and armbands. Are they staged? Or are the people in your video just saying "I haven't seen any, therefore, they must be made up"?

    And what about Jason LaFace and Pat King? People who've been involved with getting the whole thing off the ground? Do they not count?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    They arent though. The official spokesman for the convoy is Jewish. Another of the organizers is Metis. Or have they been duped too?



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.” Frank Zappa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,293 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Can't wait till we get a few years down the line and these same truckers (and posters) are steaming out the ears cause Extinction Rebellion are blocking the roads.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    ??? The questions you ask about the video are...surprisingly....in the video. He is saying that he did see a guy with a flag and explains what he sees.

    I have not seen the photos of guys with armbands. You haven't linked them.

    If you have seen them and are questioning their authenticity, I can only take your opinion about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    And here is the atmosphere after weapons were seized, as police mingle with the departing protestors. Not what you would imagine if they were fearing a shootout.





  • Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    God you’re really talking through you’re hoop. I have been following it closely and have a good frien in Ottawa. It’s just normal people who don’t want their kids wearing masks in school or don’t want to be forced to vaccinate. That’s it. Your parents should limit your screen time!!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Trudeau invoking emergency powers to deny the truckers from fundraising…. Wow. Only rich people who can afford to take time off of work should have the privilege of being able to protest.... 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You forgot to add this one

    OR

    RESIGN their lawful positions of authority Immediately

    Also "demands" is quite a funny word, seems threatening.

    Unless I missed something no one is negotiating with them, so they might as well go nuts and stick down a unicorn and a trillion trillion dollars on their list of "demands".

    Anyway, it would appear Canadians have well and truly had enough of them and are doing the cops job for them.

    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/battle-of-billings-bridge-attracts-hundreds-of-volunteers-traps-convoy-for-hours

    As the sun was going down and the temperatures dipped, the truck drivers in the convoy were permitted a “negotiated retreat” — they were allowed to leave one at a time, but only after their trucks had been stripped of flags, and “Freedom Convoy” stickers, and surrendered any jerry cans.

    “The look on their faces when they were taking down their flags was one of defeat, not of pride,” said Harden.

    Sean Devine went to the blockade with the intent of speaking to as many people in the convoy as possible.

    “I don’t want to take away anyone’s right to protest, but I wanted them to hear that they’re having a negative impact on the citizens of Ottawa,” said Devine, who said about two-thirds of drivers in the convoy agreed to talk.

    Most of the people I spoke to were surprised at the resistance. I think the convoy is under the false impression that they have unwavering popular support. It helps them to see opposition.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think the perception seems to be, or perhaps the reality if you believe the list of donors leaked is accurate, is that a lot of donors are actually American and its never good for a political cause to be sponsored by an outside party. Its a bit like the anti-abortion campaign here was heavily financed by American Christians. The truckers have made their point so should just go home now- they are disrupting the lives of ordinary people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Maybe the truckers should have thought about their income before the protest?



  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Black Noel


    I had covid twice and I don't feel getting the vaccine is worth it but its an individual decision, there should be no compulsion with covid certs.

    I reckon if they keep trying to force it on ppl it'll result in a shooting war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom




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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    In a time of instant global communication, any big thing that takes off on Twitter or Facebook is going to spread quickly and gather support that isn't necessarily from the country of the issue's origin. Whenever that country is not the US, US donors and/or participants will be a major segment, purely as a result of how dominant they are in terms of numbers in the anglosphere.

    Canada has a bit more than 10% of the US population, so even if half of donors were US donors, it still wouldn't say much about whether an issue was primarily grassroots in the locality.

    A similar thing happened in reverse with BLM donations during the 2020 riots after George Floyd's murder, but in reverse. Millions in donations poured into the US from all over, despite many of the countries donations came from having their own BLM chapters or alternate anti-racism organisations already. It's just a function of technology.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    I always said it - get your monies out of the banks, this is why they close branches and promote on line banking so they can shut you out at the drop of a hat. Bury it in the garden just reclaim it from the baxtards. What is happening in Canada should be an awakening for us all, they can all do what True-dick is doing !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Should have been in tatters long before given his sordid history of Blackface and Sexual Assault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    That's the conservative transport spokes person, who has done a complete 180.

    She fanned the flames at the start, but now like the vast majority of Canadians want them gone.

    They need to move from the blockades, that's illegal. Whether it's on a bridge, whether it's a pipeline or a highway, we can't have them blocking critical infrastructure,"

    Talk about speaking from both sides of your arsé.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    She called Justin out for shamelessly smearing people as Nazis. Since when has she done a 180 on that stance? You appear to be a bit confused



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You need to watch the full video, not just the heavily edited exchange posted here.

    Basically she is ranting and raving about a protest she fully supported on one hand and then another calling them criminals that must go.

    Pick a lane FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Is this your opinion or has there been any opinion polls around Trudeau's current actions regarding convoy? I think if truckers were blocking Dublin's streets or bridges with Northern Ireland I doubt any actions against them would be that unpopular.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    The tweet I posted wasn't pertaining to the convoy. So did or did she not do a 180 on Justin smearing people as Nazis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Huh? What do you think it was pertaining to? 🙄

    Anyway there is the full video, they seem to have forgot to clutch the pearls about the confederate flag.

    Anyway, it's pretty simple she fully supported the protest, until the true colors emerged now she calls them criminals that must go.

    So basically she poured a shít load of petrol on the fire and is now crying wambulance because people are getting burned.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    You can be anti convoy and also anti name calling people as racist, nazis etc.. What's where that woman stands apparently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You didn't watch the video obviously, she didn't even mention the comments in her exchange.

    Just a tip, don't watch heavily edited twitter videos and expect to get the full picture.

    But as a rule of thumb, no politician should fully support something on one hand and call them criminals at the same time.

    It's not a great look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Same polling company

    a majority (68%) say that regardless of political stripe, the politicians who have contributed to or supported these protests should be voted out of office

    a vast majority (82%) say that there is no way this protesting should have gone on as long as it has

     two-thirds (66%) of Canadians support Prime Minister Justin Trudeau bringing in the Emergencies Act to give the federal government extra powers to handle the protests across the country

    This one for me is the most alarming and shows that Canadians are done with the anti vax protest

    a majority (67%) believe that it's time to clear out the protesters in Ottawa, even if it means people who will not leave may get hurt, or worse

    Not a popular one Joe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Protestors generally have demands

    You might think the word is problematic, unlike freezing the legally earned funds of people who have committed no crime 😂

    I do notice you're still avoding the question, why not provide us with your position on each of those demands. The ones I posted thast came from the truckers, not the one that you made up, which one the leaders of protest explicitly denied.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    She demanded an apology from Justin for saying Jewish parliament members support Nazi's. Are you claiming she redacted that demand , last time asking?

    btw , here's Justin taking an absolute shellacking from parliament. He's finished.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    have committed no crime

    You'll need to speak with the conservative transport spokesperson on that, she believes they have.

    They need to move from the blockades, that's illegal. Whether it's on a bridge, whether it's a pipeline or a highway, we can't have them blocking critical infrastructure,"

    As for their "demands" I thought that would be pretty obvious, but for clarity no I don't think a minute fringe of anti vax protesters should get to dictate public heath policy in a pandemic. What sort of bizarro world would that be a good idea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What are you talking about?

    Conservative Party members can stand with people who wave swastikas. They can stand with people who wave the Confederate flag.

    We will choose to stand with Canadians who deserve to be able to get to their jobs, to be able to get their lives back. These illegal protests need to stop and they wil.

    What's the problem, was their people at these protests waving flags with confederate and nazi symbols on them?

    Yes or No?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Stop inserting quotes into your posts and start communicating in a clear and conceive manner.

    You have been asked a very simple question multiple times now. I'll ask it once more - Did Lantsman do a 180 on her comments specifically pertaining to Justin calling people Nazi's?

    Its a very simple question that you should be able to provide a simple answer for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I never claimed she did.

    Maybe read my actual posts and watch the actual video, not a heavily edited twitter link.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    You responded to her comments with a non-sequitur simply because you didn't like that Justin was taking a beating. In other words defending Justin by tarnishing the integrity of Lantsman.

    Plus, there was no heavily edited twitter link. Her attack on Justin was played uninterrupted. Here, just to make it even more clearer for you





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He didn't accuse her though, did he?

    Conservative Party members can stand with people who wave swastikas. They can stand with people who wave the Confederate flag.

    That's conservative party member MP Michael Cooper. Getting interviewed as he takes a few selfies with these harmless protesters.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And there we have it. You've gone down the line of great reset conspiracies. That's not smearing you, you're absolutely pushing conspiracies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would say that poll prompted his hard line approach since majority thought he was too weak on the protests



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    "If there's one thing we've learned from history, it's that the people who censor and punish dissent and bring massive government power to bear on peaceful protestors are definitely always the good guys."

    ~Some of the posters in this thread probably.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,230 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bollox, it's anti-vaxer loons, a hell of a lot of them of the far right persuasion and rather violent.

    the only ones supporting them are of similar mindsets, the majority of the canadian people want them forcibly removed as they are sick of being terrorised by these violent thugs.

    fine, don't want their children vaccinated or to have to wear a mask, then take them out of school and home school them, following the relevant guidelines of the country in question on such matter, not that i expect the anti-vaxer/anti-masker types would be able to manage that.

    otherwise they get the vaccine like children have got plenty of other vaccines, comply with the mask rule in the school where they are going to if one exists, same as children have to abide by other school rules.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,934 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Also, most of them are puppetry for the WEF (the long game) - 2030.

    And with that one sentence, bertiebomber became bertiebombed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    You just seem to target me you are a bully and a stalker so do one !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.



    Whatever your opinion about vaccine mandates and restrictions, surely any reasonable person would agree that the government giving themselves the power to freeze the bank accounts of people who protest against them is a worrying move? It's a bit social credity isn't it? To compel private companies to follow their orders under threat of jail? Imagine if trump had tried similar tactics with blm. It wouldn't be acceptable then and it isn't acceptable now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    a majority (68%) say that regardless of political stripe, the politicians who have contributed to or supported these protests should be voted out of office

    a vast majority (82%) say that there is no way this protesting should have gone on as long as it has

     two-thirds (66%) of Canadians support Prime Minister Justin Trudeau bringing in the Emergencies Act to give the federal government extra powers to handle the protests across the country

    a majority (67%) believe that it's time to clear out the protesters in Ottawa, even if it means people who will not leave may get hurt, or worse


    Authoritarian regimes always, and by their very nature, stem from populist opinion which discards, punishes and often murders its opponents in a frenzy of righteous moral outrage.

    Understanding this remedial-level lesson from history is exactly why liberal societies have created laws which protect the right to speak, even when the words are an insult; to protest, even when the protest is inconvenient; and to assemble, even when assembly obstructs the regime's aims.

    Desecrating those laws for the sake of convenience and in service to populist rage and wishes of harm and death has never led, and will never lead, anywhere good. You would think that people who still froth at the mouth at the mere mention of the name Trump would understand why setting such precedents is unwise in the extreme, whatever good feeling they get in their peepee at the prospect of seeing their political opponents bloodied and murdered on the streets.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,945 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The vaccine mandates are themselves isomorphic to a social credit system. We seem to forget how extreme disemploying people is.

    Lech Walesa was prevented from working as an electrician in Soviet-controlled Poland for organising an independent trade union.

    In China, people who are on Tier D of the social credit system (the lowest tier) are disemployed and receive regular visits from government officials (which is, or may soon be, the situation in Austria).

    Many ordinary people, including many posters here, have made a calculation to side with power. That's all it is.

    When you see posters calling for protestors to be shot dead, that more or less tells you that you ought not to waste time "debating" with these posters ever again. As if what these posters think about 2km travel limits or the budget could be of any interest whatsoever.



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