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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So, so many people have got taken in by the ISAG We Could Be Zero guff and they won’t / can’t climb back down from their position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Ffs that’s desperate. Have they asked their members what they think?

    Im a teacher and member of the ASTI. Absolutely hate them as a union and I’m considering pulling out. Complete joke, not representative of most teachers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    It's long past time teachers such as yourself started to speak up about the treatment of children. If I had an animal in a freezing cold room with a cover on its face for 6 hours a day, I'd be locked up. "We were just doing as we were told/following the rules" isn't going to cut it once the dust settles and the damage that's been done to kids is fully known. Schools being closed the length they were and masking of children are 2 of the biggest scandals in the past 2 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    And again the bloody pronouns in the bio with the pro pro pro mask people, what's going on ???



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    We might finally be coming to the end of all this madness....it can't come a moment too soon.........



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    There will be a desperate fight back over the next two or three days from ISAG/Zero-Covid nut jobs.

    Gov and NPHET show some bottle and this is properly over for good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭VG31


    There's an absolute gem in this Irish Times article:

    “My anxiety would just not allow me to relax in a situation where people aren’t wearing masks,” said one person, who chose not to identified when speaking to The Irish Times.

    Strikingly, she supports masks even though she does not believe they help much: “I have seen how they show the tiny little molecule going through the mask and it does not make a difference. But I think for people’s mental wellbeing, to see visually people wearing a mask, is better.”

    This is so ridiculous it's actually quite amusing. They don't believe masks really work but think they should be kept just to make people feel better! No wonder they chose to remain anonymous!



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    I wish they'd just tell us what they're going to do instead of going through the whole song and dance once again. Kites are flying, articles like the above are appearing in the papers, NPHET are meeting tomorrow to discuss, Government eagerly awaiting what Michael has already discussed with Tony, etc. The whole will-they-won't-they nonsense is really exhausting. If masks are not essential to the preservation of the health service then lift the restriction without this ridiculous pantomime!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Seems to be a demographic of mainly middle aged women and the pronoun/BLM/Palestine freedom fighter brigade that are crying about these useless masks. People with not very much going on in their lives and they love to control what others do. They seem more worried about the goings on in USA and and a country they couldn't point out on a map. Idiots.

    Someone said it above, masking kids in schools is utterly abhorrent and scandalous. All to appease a bunch of bed wetting curtain twitchers who can't let go of Covid.

    Would not surprise me in the least if the gormless MM extended mask wearing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    See the front page of the independent this morning..

    who the **** do the ictu and other unions think they are talking on behalf of all retail! I work in retail and don’t have a union! Ditch the fûcking masks!! Leave it be a personal choice!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    From my own circle, not wearing a mask has been declared as "selfish" and doing so seen as "the right thing to do".

    In the former case, the person is normally right on trend so no surprise, but the latter is from someone who usually has more of a copped on attitude. In both cases, they're regularly in the pub or out socialising generally.

    The power of consensus and messaging right there. It's actually frightening how deeply it affects some people nowadays, and not just the younger or elderly generations. Middle-aged adults happy to sideline independent decision making and critical thought for the reassuring feeling of doing what they've been told, even if it doesn't make sense!

    It's no wonder the Catholic Church held such sway for so long in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones



    Dr Cliona Ní Cheallaigh, consultant in infectious diseases and general medicine at St James's Hospital in Dublin, has said she would "suggest very strongly" that people continue to wear masks.


    This alone makes me 100% certain I won't be wearing them wherever they aren't required.

    What do these people think ? we can avoid covid forever ?

    She is an infectious diseases "expert" she should know now it's endemic and WE ARE ALL GOING TO GET COVID eventually, the way forward is to prepare for this, take your vitamin D , your Zinc, keep fit, lose weight etc.


    But none of that advise from any health "expert" over the last 2 years - strange that.

    Post edited by cannonballTaffyOjones on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭VG31


    There is definitely a different mentality here compared to many (but by no means all) other countries. I would imagine countries like Spain that had masks mandatory outside for most of the pandemic must be even worse.

    I was in Copenhagen last September and the number of people wearing masks was effectively zero amongst Danish people. Zero. Not 50%, not 10%, not 5%. Zero. The only people wearing masks were tourists and even then there weren't many. So you can either draw the conclusion that Danes are reckless and selfish or they are good at risk assessment and trust their government and public health experts.

    I think mask wearing will gradually decline here and will probably be fairly uncommon other than amongst the elderly by the summer months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    That is probably untrue and extremely unfair to them but two years of this has tested people's mental fortitude in a way that the slings and arrows of a 90 year old life without this would never have done. This type of self-righteous labelling of complete strangers, a mindset that COVID has unquestionably wrought, is also something we need to reset from. Why does this all bother you so much? Leave people to their own views on masks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's just people doing the best they can for themselves. We've all tried to do it and not terribly well at times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Anti-maskers need to be just as loud as pro-maskers, if not louder, given all the air time the media gives them.

    There HAS to be pushback, otherwise the pro-maskers will win and we'll be stuck with them, personal choice will be taken away from us again (Well, we still don't have legal personal choice, but it's so close it'd be a shame to have it taken away).

    So what if he calls her mentally ill?

    All those of us who don't want masks, restrictions or forced vaccinations are automatically labelled "anti-vaxxer", what's wrong with giving them a bit of their own medicine for a change?

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not really something I care about nor am I bothered by it. I'm certainly not about embrace any kind of score settling for people who dealt with things the best they could. The good news is that this is almost over for everyone, a cause for celebration and time to move on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    It annoys me because of these terrified anxious people walking around in FFP2 masks (I live in Spain) means they will NEVER lift the indoor mask requirement here, my kids have to wear a mask for 8 hours a day in school.

    It's child abuse.


    If enough people stopped wearing them, this would stop, but the fascist spanish govt. see how easy people are to control and will just maintain this nonsense - forever.


    THAT'S why it annoys me so much!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    And to quote myself from way back in 2020, we can only be responsible for ourselves and people who matter to us. Things will come back to normal and it's really a waste of energy railing against public health policies. Including masks, they have been used as individual countries saw fit and some of that was questionable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I disagree.

    If you don't call bullshit on "public health policies" you're giving them tacit approval to continue them indefinitely, and allowing them to add more bells and whistles.

    And if nothing else, it's a way of venting frustration with the bolloxology going on around you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,616 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The game was up when the pubs and clubs went back to normal.

    Teachers have just shown themselves to be ridiculously conservative, inflexible, lazy and irresponsible throughout this whole saga.

    They were the only profession that didn't want to return to work after Xmas. Nice legacy that people won't forget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,616 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Eamon Ryan wants mandatory masks to be ended immediately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Listen pal, I’m a teacher and any of the staff I’ve asked want masks gone. My close group of teacher friends want them gone long ago too.

    You can’t just label us all like that. I wanted to return back after Xmas without masks. It’s the unions you need to be taking it out on. They’re a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,616 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well that's good to hear. I hope windows are being closed too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    If the mask mandate ends soon, it will be very interesting to see the level of continued mask wearing in shops and transport, especially people who wear FFP2 masks for extra protection. I'd say the medical masks wearers will largely stop wearing them but the FFP2 people will continue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Am I right in thinking the continuation of a mask mandate would require extension of emergency powers beyond feb 28th?

    How can anybody really think we are still in an emergency situation. If the masks don't become optional now there will be a lot of resistance if they need to be reintroduced at any stage in the future as people won't trust them to move quickly into AND out of emergency powers as required.


    It's going to be like convincing a toddler to give up the dummy for some people.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    **** me this is bad!!

    Why won’t the woman below not go to the shop? Mental illness is huge now and that’ll be the the epidemic!




  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    What did these people do before covid? covid is never going away, just fúcking deal with it 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    People are thick. HSE has the blue medical masks as the same level protection as ffp2, people won't drop them.


    Edit to say by the same level of protection, I mean the HSE has high risk groups thinking they're fine with medical masks. Because it's medical masks or respirator. It's beyond me why they are getting away with their or on that website.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000




  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    I wonder how Seanergy is taking the news. Thoughts and prayers Hun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Wow you seem to know more about this whole thing than an actual consultant in infectious diseases and general medicine. What are your credentials by the way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It'll take people a while to adjust. Its been 2 years.

    For the last few weeks there have been thousands of conspiraloonies mending relationships theyve damaged over the last 2 years.

    Apologising to their sheeple friends and family. Humble pie being eaten for breakfast, lunch and dinner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Why does there have to be this big debate over everything to do with Covid? If they decide to lift the rules on mask wearing and leave it up to people to decide whether to wear a mask or not then so be it. If people want to wear a mask then go ahead and if they don't then that's ok. I'm not a big fan of wearing a mask but for me if I am on a packed train where there are people squashed into the carriages then yeah I will wear mask. I don't see the harm in it and if stops me catching a cold then great, that is the only time I would consider wearing a mask. As I have said before some of the rules on mask wearing were ridiculous like having to put a mask on when you go into the shop to pay for your petrol were you would be in and out of the shop in less than a minute.

    People need to really take a step back and just people make their own decisions and no one should be judged for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭VG31


    I really dislike masks but I might still wear a mask on packed public transport, in winter at least.

    I'm glad masks aren't remaining mandatory on public transport. My local bus route is usually quiet and < 10 people upstairs is normal outside peak times. I really don't see the use in wearing a mask in situations like that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭Maxface


    Brilliant news. I hate the things. It is very strange though, at the start of all this you would get looks for wearing one and then the sea change came and you got looks for not wearing one and now you won't have to and almost all won't and the one's that do will probably get looks for still wearing one. Makes no odds to me if someone keeps it on but for me it is gone for good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I just did a celebratory lap of the local Tesco, facially naked of course.... Not a word said.

    Sweet, sweet freedom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    I’ll adjust straight away as I rarely wore them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Exactly they knew exactly what they were going to do without meeting just like all previous meetings they had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,676 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    That little garden gnome Paul Murphy was on saying mask wearing should still remain in place.

    Its well time now to leave it as a personal choice to keep wearing them or not.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭Cork2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Listen pal, I'm a teacher ............

    Great opening...pal. Teacher? Doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    I am a teacher ffs. Check my post history. Sorry for using the word pal, I forgot teachers are not allowed be normal.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Generally if you don’t agree with the prevailing view (and on this one it was the hysterical teacher unions), they try to discredit you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The unions represent teachers as they pay their dues to the unions. No hiding from that. It's tiresome seeing teachers pretending unions don't represent them when they very much do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Ok whatever you say so.

    I have paid my union fee as I was afraid of getting shafted along the torturous route to getting a permanent job.

    Over the past two years I’ve been disgusted with my union and taking a small sample size of some of my colleagues, they also feel the same. Technically you’re correct, unions do represent teachers but I really don’t think they represent the views of teachers at all. I haven’t once been polled on an issue in relation to covid closures or restrictions. Most of which I’ve disagreed with.

    The latest stunt to pull the plug after Xmas was nothing short of disgraceful and any teacher I spoke with disagreed with it.

    I will be reconsidering my ASTI membership for next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I'm certainly not interested in your post history. But sure you are a teacher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Wow great contribution. What would we do without you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭political analyst


    How about making your voice heard at ASTI branch meetings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    So you don't agree with your union on many issues, your colleagues feel the same, you don't think they represent your views but the most you're willing to do is reconsider your membership next year. No wonder the unions come out with all this nonsense as none of their members are willing to challenge what they are doing or saying and are therefore effectively endorsing their ridiculous stances.



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