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Am I crazy to want to keep my baby?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Can I also just say here ....this is a life lesson for this lad if ever there was one.Do you realise you sound like his sisters "the family baby, the one that deserves to go far".If he is that intelligent, then he should have copped by now that sex - unprotected sex - with many women, and assuming there are no consequences for that, is not the brightest idea.Furthermore, (if he is that intelligent), then he should be able to afford to support you a bit.

    I am not saying you go through with it to teach him a life lesson, but I am saying,since you are leaning that way, it's a lesson he needs.And while it does suck for you (and again, this is not a reason for you to go through with it), it is saving some girl of 23 or 24 with no support, no experience of mothering, nothing, to find herself in this situation in time, while he continues to have his fun.

    Don't worry too much about him, he is as responsible for this as much as you are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    When I talked it through with her her reasoning was that I didn't want to have to explain to my teenagers what was going on. No one wants to have to tell their teenage kids that their mother is having an abortion and they have to mind her. I am going off the advice of the woman who was by my side while I brought four kids into the world. I trust her. I am very rarely sick.

    Believe me I am inspecting the aspect that maybe I am being selfish just wanting a baby to love. It's not a great reason to have a child. But the thought of having a termination is hitting me at an emotional level. Head or heart? Its not an easy choice...



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Nothing about this situation is particularly normal. I am aware.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    I think you should talk to someone, either your GP or make contact with My Options. If you look on the HSE website there's a webchat option there, if you find that more comfortable. It reads as though you're spiralling and jumping from solution to solution without thinking anything through. It would be worth talking to someone who can break everything down with you and help you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Scaremongering at its finest. Midwives are well known anti- choice. Try your GP. The longer you wait the more challenging it becomes



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No one would have to look after you, a termination isn't like a big operation, there would be no need to tell your kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Idle Passerby


    OP on the topic of medical abortion, you would be best to have the first day and night to yourself to take the pills and start the process. Maybe have a friend there for emotional support. But once the first night is over no one need know what your experiencing. You'll bleed for a few weeks and have a medical check up to make sure it's gone ok. There's no need for your children to be aware what's happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭Senature


    Maintenance can be revisited, by either party. I'm also not aware of any minimum amount required by law. I'm really making the point that it's strange for one father to be seen as a kid whose life you don't want to ruin by telling him he has a child and the other as someone who despite paying for private education and college fees for 4 kids in addition to maintenance and you having a mortgage free home is described as paying the legal minimum and he can well afford it.


    Is there other factors at play here that you are keeping out of the conversation? It's probably a good idea to get advice from a counsellor or other professional. You sound like you have already decided what you will do and I wish you the best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Well to be fair, there are much worse reasons to have a child than wanting one to love, and it's not like you're some naïve waif who doesn't know what she's getting into. Head or Heart? I think it's fine to make a purely emotional decision where it's only yourself involved, but there are many other people involved, not the least 5 kids. So some rationality must come into it too. That doesn't mean don't go ahead with it, just that you need to make provision for those things.

    For instance, say you were very ill, the father of 4 would look after his kids presumably but who would look after number 5? Same if you were debilitated, or died. What if you were unable to work? Or what if the child had special needs which are much more than your existing kids could help with? etc. etc. There are lots of things which you should be considering and planning to mitigate in a way that a more traditional family wouldn't need to.

    Again these are not necessarily reasons to terminate the pregnancy, and the amount of love you can give your child is an excellent place to start from, but it still feels like you're looking with some rose-tinted glasses here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hmm..battening down the hatches and staying at home with a newborn..work has dryed up anyway over covid...get by with being frugal......you still have four other kids that will demand your attention and as good a mother as you are that's going to be difficult .....you could get post natal depression ...who knows ...that would make it very hard.....you have a hard decision to make ..I'd keep the gay fellow out of it...not a very good decision..as hard as your life is now...it's going to get alot harder...if your going ahead I'd recommend telling the father and the sisters are going to have to know .they might be angry at the start but when they come around could be a good source of support.you will find it hard to do on your own...wishing you all the best.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Earlier in the thread someone said that a pregnancy at age 40 wasn't risky. FWIW the medical term is geriatric pregnancy. Here is a link describing it and associated risks to all involved. https://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/pregnancy-after-35#:~:text=for%20Pregnancy%20Problems%3F-,What%20Is%20Geriatric%20Pregnancy%3F,their%2040s%20have%20healthy%20babies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭starbaby2003


    Are you sure that part of the reason you want to keep the baby isn’t to keep the connection to this guy. You say you are happy to just have a casual relationship with him but then talk about him like he is the best thing since the slice pan. People think having someone’s baby will keep them. It 100% will not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    To be honest, the way you describe teenagers coming to you for advice rather than their parents coupled with your subsequent relations with a young man all sounds a bit predatory. Was this how you got close to the young lad, offering a shoulder to cry on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,305 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    OP, people in this thread are being FAR too hard on you, it's really over the top. Don't take too much of the advice on offer onboard, use this place as a sounding board and don't be too hard on yourself to boot! I think whatever you decide will be the right move, and it sounds like you know in your heart which way you'll go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Segotias


    It strikes me that your priorities are a bit messed up. You seem to have more concern over the sister's of a grown man coming for you, than the impact of having a fifth child on your existing 4 children.

    Firstly he's an adult and continuously babying him is a recipe for disaster, god knows how many women this could happen too.

    Secondly your gay friend probably wants a child of his own to raise not a part time roll in your life.

    Thirdly, you've mentioned your older children would be a help, they may love babies but I doubt as they get older they'll want their fun taken away to be your childcare, they will also be heading off to college soon enough, will you be passing the childcare onto the next 2?

    Inspite of whats been said having a child at 40 is risky, I had a friend who had a surprise pregnancy at 37, she found the pregnancy so much harder than her previous ones and then raising a new born even more difficult. Her child also has medical issues which is a strain on her in every way.

    You've mentioned being concerned about recovering if you decided to have a termination but don't seem to have the same concerns for recovery after child birth, who will take your children if you go into labour in the middle of the night or have complications which lead you to have to stay longer.

    The financial aspect is a big factor and banking on your ex and an arrangement which could be changed is very unfair on all of your children including the unborn one. You say you've a good quality of life now, this will change, babies are expensive even if you have a lot of stuff.

    Whether you have the child or not is entirely your choice and you will do what you feel is best for all of you, how you go about it is very messed up based on what you've suggested, not telling the father until your past the abortion cut off, what is this going to accomplish?

    Good luck with whatever you decide but drag your head out of the clouds!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,673 ✭✭✭✭fits


    OP I just want to say good luck with whatever you decide. People are being very harsh in here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭notAMember


    This thread is a car crash, so many attacks on you OP, and here you are trying to do the right thing.

    I think your post describing your next steps are logical and well thought out.

    Good luck, and with your eldest being 15, you have good support here I think. Hopefully they will be a great support for you and your other children too. This often happens with these age gaps in families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    If the sisters are that concerned for the little brother, they can help him pay towards the upkeep of his child if they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,910 ✭✭✭daheff




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well, to be fair, if a woman asks a man if he's wearing protection, she can usually check on-the-spot, so to speak.

    Whereas if a man asks a woman whether it is "safe" he has to take her word from it. He still knowingly takes the risk of her being wrong (or else not being truthful ... which I am in no way saying was the case here).

    A woman is rarely ultimately relying on a man to "look after" the contraception so I doubt that you can cast aspersions on her in this case that she was relying on him - sleazebag or not. So that is kind of irrelevant.

    (Only exception to the above would be if the man claims he is infertile or had a vasectomy)



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @CrookedJack and @ionapaul I have deleted your last two posts as you were getting into an over and back with each other rather than offering advice to the OP. Personal Issues is an advice forum. All replies are expected to offer advice to the OP. If you would like to debate usernames or anything else please take it to PM.

    @Curse These Metal Hands a 23 year old man is an adult. 2 consenting adults are involved in this relationship. Do not imply anything untoward.

    @Igotadose generalisations such as your one about midwives are not welcome here.

    All posters are reminded of The Personal Issues Charter. This forum is heavily moderated and breaches of the charter regularly result in warnings or bans.

    Please direct mature, constructive, civil advice to the OP. If you find yourself unable to do that, please refrain from posting.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Op I think you need to tel him now, not at 15 weeks, he really should have an input into the decision as well as the outcome. Whichever way you both choose.

    Either way best of luck with the future and however it shakes out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    It's a tough one OP. But IMO you do seem to be thinking more with your heart than your head. Kids and babies are wonderful, but they are also hard work and you know this much having 4 of them. But when we get out of the baby and toddler phase, we often look back on it with rose tinted glasses. If you don't want to have the biological father involved and you are not earning yourself (if I've read correctly), how do you expect to be able to afford this little one while also being a single parent to 4 others. I know you've said their father pays their education and minimum maintenance but that won't stretch to feeding another mouth and it will not your ex's place to fund a child that is not his.

    Best of luck OP - what ever decision you make, be sure that it's made with yourself and your children front and centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭Pistachio19


    Someone upthread suggested contacting My Options. I do think that's a good idea. You need someone to help you think rationally about this and help you prioritise your concerns.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The financial arrangements in place with the father of your older children should not change if you have another child with someone else.

    Financially, it's basically none of his business. It's not like you'd be asking him to contribute towards the new baby's costs.

    The support of the new baby would fall to you, and their father.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    She is definitely not anti choice. She actually chose this for herself a while back. And she is in a stable relationship. Just didn't want to have a fourth child. I know she will support me whatever I choose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭SunnySundays


    Far from an ideal situation but no point dwelling on it as you can only deal with it in the way that is best for you.

    Something in your posts that stood out to me is that you wondering if you want to have the baby because you would love it and maybe that's what you want etc.

    Is there a chance that you are trying to fill a void of perhaps loneliness or a sense of purpose post your divorce and you want fun and positivity and propose?

    The baby should be the primary concern. His sisters/carer/age/attitude towards women is just a distraction from the real issue. That said, I think it is really wrong to have a child without telling the father and also intending to hide this from the child permanently. (Rape, severe harm, domestic abuse, child abuse etc.. being a few of the exceptions).

    You also have to consider your children. Are you planning on lying to them when they ask who the father is? What if the child is the spitting image of him? What is he himself starts asking questions? What is he mentions it to someone etc.? I'm not sure you will be able to keep the paternity as much of a secret as you wish. These things have a habit of coming out. It's not a reason for an abortion but just something to consider.

    That said, a child needs love, stability, and care. If you can provide these things then there is no right or wrong. It's a personal choice.

    In your situation, I would definitely take to a crisis pregnancy counselor or some other support as it's a lot of unravel.

    Best of luck whatever you decide.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    The maintenance agreement was the legal basis of our divorce. I believe that it is binding. The father of my other children was my husband, we built a life together. He also made my life a misery for years. No matter how much material things someone gives you if they terrorise you and steal all the joy from your life you are not going to think particularly fondly of them.

    The father of this child was supposed to be just some fun. I never wanted anything from him except for him to be nice to me which he always is.

    This is the difference.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So you cheated ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Absolutely not. To be honest, wanting to keep him in my life is one of the reasons I could think of for terminating. He's much more likely to run for the hills when the **** hits the fan than to continue a casual relationship. I know it is very hard for some people to think of a woman not wanting a partner or something permanent but I do not. I had it, it was awful, I got out of it, I do not want to go back.

    It is possible to enjoy something without wanting to hold onto it forever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Skipduke


    based on the information you have provided, I would first talk to the baby daddy. ask him what he wants to do...does he want to keep it and support it? he is young and you don't seem to be in a committed relationship, therefore i would go in with low expectations.

    i would terminate if I were in your shoes. i say this because you don't seem to know what you want or have a plan for the future or any stable income. Do you already have 4 children and just got divorced ? why would you want to be tied down now again with a child.. go have fun with whatever money you have !!


    bringing another life into this world is not like buying a puppy or a new car. you can't just trade it

    ultimately, it is your own choice. you know the situation best but there's my 2cents since you asked



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    To be honest, I pretty much did all of the baby stuff for my other kids myself. The father never once got up in the night or made a meal or dealt with laundry. The older kids are very capable and competent. Fifteen and thirteen year old are well able to run the house by themselves if they have to. But yes I do have to think carefully about how it will impact them.

    Other babies were born at home and this one would be too. Hence the independent midwife. I have definitely brought enough women meals and hung their washing and minded their kids while they have had a newborn to have some support in the early days. But community has really been fractured by all the changes over the last few years. I hope these people would still be here for me but I just don't know.

    Not telling him until it's too late to change means that the choice is mine alone. I am happy to have the child by myself without his support or input if needs be. I know that the better choice for everyone in this situation is just to terminate but I am struggling to actually do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Yes I am very worried that I want to have this child out of loneliness and needing a sense of purpose. But I do know that I would love the child.



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    Not that it makes a damn bit of difference but no, I was faithful to my ex husband for our whole marriage, which is more than I can say for him. I have been single for quite some time and will be til I die. Does that mean that I have to cut sex out of my life forever?



  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Sile Na Gig


    I have my own income! It is less than it was before Covid but it's still more than a lot of people who still support families get. I am poorer than I have ever been in my life but I could get a whole lot poorer and still survive. I would be very loathe to ask him for money as I know he does not want a child and I don't want him to feel like I am tying him down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Just my two cents OP but i think you are being extremely selfish and immature here. No consideration for your unborn, the father, your ex, and most importantly your children. You have no idea what effect bringing a child by another father into your home will have on your relationships with your children, your ex, and of their relationship with their father.

    The longer you leave this the more chance of you becoming emotionally involved with the pregnancy which does no-one any favours. Frankly, it's really weird to me that you seem to be more interested in bragging about how much of a 'milf' you are and your numerous conquests and that you landed a beautiful looking boy than actually realising the consequences of your recklessness.

    Abort the pregnancy, concentrate on the children you have, and for ffs start engaging some proper contraception rather than relying on 'the timing method'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭screamer


    Keep the baby…. Don’t keep the baby no one here can tell you what to do. You have to live with your decision, and it is yours to make.

    but one thing I will tell you is, you have 4 kids who depend on you, get yourself an STI test. don’t be feckless with your sexual health with someone who is feckless with theirs. Those 4 kiddos depend on you for everything and you can’t afford to risk your health and well being.

    I wish you well, and you will make the right decision for you, don’t let anyone influence it. It’s one of those decisions you can’t undo no matter which path you choose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,673 ✭✭✭✭fits


    OP there’s nothing wrong with not wanting to terminate and it’s not being selfish. It’s a huge decision for a lot of people. And yes i do think it’s your decision alone too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The last person the OP has to consider is her ex-husband. They are divorced, and he has moved on with a new partner. What the OP does, or who she sleeps with is none of his business. If his new partner got pregnant, would you suggest his partner have an abortion for the OPs sake?

    Regards maintaining their children together, he is entitled to apply for a variance if HIS financial circumstances change. He does not have grounds to seek a variance on the basis that she is having another child.

    OP, the one thing I would advise you as regards your ex is, if you do decide to have the baby, that as a courtesy, you sit down and have a discussion with him informing him of how you plan to proceed before breaking the news to your children.

    This is so he has adequate time to process the information, and prepare himself for any questions your children may ask him.

    This does not extend to disclosing who the father is, if you choose to keep that private.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One other thought - OP please don't pay any heed to anyone who accuses you of selfishness for wanting to have your baby.

    If you were here posting that you wanted to terminate, there would be someone arguing that you were being selfish, and "what about the father's say" etc. Women can't do right for doing wrong, in someone's eyes, no matter what choice they make.

    Personally, I'd support you in either choice. I think the most constructive thing you can do for yourself now, is to make an appointment with an non-religious and unbiased crisis pregnancy counselling service.

    You still have some time to make up your mind. So take a deep breath, and don't be rushed into anything.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think you should tell the father and work out things from there, instead of trying to tiptoe around it. Your going to have to face it eventually. And if I may say, your not some teen but an adult having unprotected sex. Surely the thought of getting pregnant flashed across your mind at some point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭laoisgem


    Still think this is a wind up but I'll give my opinion regardless.

    I've so many thoughts on this it's hard to put it into sequence but firstly you need to tell him, I do think his opinion matters and I say that as someone who had a termination when I was 17. I had to wait the two weeks to fly to England for the termination, if I had the choice I would be taking the tablets right now, that's if your taking the fetus into consideration , the earlier the better.

    I echo what others have said about being selfish, it all sounds so made up, almost fairy tale as in an ideal world. Including having your daughter at the birth, again, in an ideal world. Nothing to say your daughter will be disgusted by you being with a man 8 years her senior, maybe even someone she fancies herself.

    I'll stop the rant there but I definitely think your deluded in your approach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    OP

    Ive been thinking about this a bit today. There is a lot of advice to digest. Maybe summarise everything you read by jotting down a few points.

    Id have found this overwhelming so I can only imagine what its like for yourself.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    At this stage we will lock the thread. All the advice and opinion has been offered and posters are in danger of falling foul of the Charter. A number of off topic posts have already been deleted.



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