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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You didn't address the points. That you are prepared to shamelessly cheerlead for a regime which uses blatant anti-Semitism to whip up hatred against its neighbour is telling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is what has been said on here ,by turning putin playbook against it's left him floundering ,his build up ,the dates he planned for attacks ,the false flags ,and now shelling ukraine from inside the separatists areas.

    Whats he got left ,

    A- invade and face massive consequences militarily and economically

    B- publicly back down and admit defeat and the total loss of Ukraine..

    retire and enjoy the billions he stole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    C) Do neither, instead keep the bulk of these forces around Ukraine applying constant pressure. Interfere with airlines, shipping, trade, etc. Keep up cyber-attacks, etc. Put Ukraine in an increased and seemingly unending vice. Never sure when a full invasion could take place. Costs to keep the military there as opposed to elsewhere are minimal. Win-win situation for Putin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    How does bemoaning the fall of a geopolitical union equate to antisemitism?

    You're clutching at straws here.

    Just as an aside, you do know that the Russian Federation is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse nations on earth, right? (some people genuinely don't know this, so it's perhaps worth mentioning)

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Keeping 130,000 +troops fed and warm doesn't come cheap ,they can keep them there , but at the same time in Ukraine life goes on as it has done for the last 8 + years of occupation ,the longer Russia stays and does nothing the longer Ukraine can invest in defense of the country ,the Russian people who are already saying that the aggression against there neighbors and families is wrong , questions will start to be asked



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Multiple shelling incidents today from Russian-back separatists, allegedly using a tank, definitely upping the pressure

    They can do this for months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Seems like only a matter of time now, given the false flag shenanigans.

    Air superiority as usual is going to be key here, is an enforced no fly zone going to be part of any sanctions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    US doubling down on their rhetoric that Russia to create "false flag event". They are now using Alex Jones tactics, it's incredible.

    Anyone see this embarrassing video of Ned Price when asked for evidence of a false flag event planned by the Russians, he says "I just delivered it".


    He thinks what he says is evidence. Just shows you the arrogance of the Biden administration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Yep, I've said there is a very good chance of this. Maybe even move some nukes to the border, just to scare the crap out of the yanks as well.

    Ultimately, the EU cannot afford to let this go into a cold war 2.0 for years. And Putin knows it, hence why he holds most of the cards in this. He most likely never had any intention of invading, but then he always said this anyway.

    The west need to decide on their next move. They seem to be flapping about, unsure of what to do next. Sanctions don't work, and will hurt the EU just as much. Arming Ukraine, but at the same time their economy is in the toilet... trillions of $$ in gas pipes running through the country, so the Germans in particular know there will be increased political pressure to appease the Russians very soon.

    Respect Russia's security demands, or live in a world of permanent security concerns for everyone in the audience. Quite clever from Mr. Putin. He's just successfully made Russia's problem into everyone else's problem too. Hopefully wise heads will prevail here. 👍️

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,209 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    D.


    Invade but Only take South West Ukraine and Odessa.

    Have the bulk of their best grain and agri land, a country that produces as much wheat as Canada.

    It's majority Russian speaking, easier to hold.

    Let the argument about sanctions start, it's not a full invasion gives Germany The Dutch Austria etc a way to minimize them and leave work arounds.


    Meanwhile cut gas, grain and fertilizer etc to Europe. That will have a globally significant impact, enough pain to go around. Export the vast grain it has to buy friendship in a world where food is once again viewed as essential and not a convenience.


    They will pay a heavy price but they might well view it as acceptable and that the will to hit them hard and long term is not there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    If we let Russia chip away like that it will only be a matter of time before they are back for more and with there tactic tried and tested they would be more emboldened.


    Appeasement is literally the worst option we can go for here War is better than that it would be better for NATO to form a defensive line in Ukraine and outright say they will fight if Ukraine is attacked meet putin at his own game and see just have far they want to go when faced with heavy firepower. I dont see why the west should leave the gloves on when Russia clearly isnt.


    We all know how this went when hitler started invading countries around him. It started with one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Or NATO can call there bluff and obliterate any Russian military that attacks Ukraine. And if putin wants to nuke then they will too and leave the ball in his court and see whats up then, putin is a bully he wont know what to do when he is stood up to with superior firepower. He relies on fear and bluffs.


    The Yanks arent one bit afraid of Russia and couldnt give a toss about there military thus them telling putin to shove his demands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That's nonsense. He can't afford this for months. Utter nonsense. On no planet can Putin keep this volume or anything close to it sitting on the border. It all costs money. And news flash.... These soldiers have lives and families too. It won't wash for weeks let alone months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Yeah that's not gonna happen. That's immediate sanction territory the Germans may be tetoring at the start but they aren't stupid either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I think you will find the British were killing Afghans before the Russians.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The west is quite happy for this to go on for awhile. Gives the Ukrainians more time to harden their defenses, pushes Europe to divest itself from Russian energy, and serve as a drain on their economy. I imagine there will be plenty of support for the Ukrainian government, low interest loans and the like, tied to further reform and anti corruption efforts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Separatists are calling on all veterans to return immediately ,and to prepare for discussed arrivals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I doubt the military manoeuvres are a drain on the Russian economy. The uncertainty has contributed to an increase in energy prices which will be of huge benefit to Russia.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    It takes a lot longer than you think to divest from an energy source. And they did no such thing after the Crimean annexation, so what makes you think there is the political will to do so now? The former German chancellor is on the board of Gazprom ffs! lol

    These guys are not as altruistic as some you guys would like to imagine. Just look at Scholz and Putin in their recent meeting, laughing and smiling at each other... not quite the picture you expect to see of a western leader meeting the terrible Mr. Putin, is it? 😂

    These guys know the score, and they also know what side their bread is buttered. They don't have the luxury of playing these partisan games with silly comic book good guy Vs bad guy nonsense that some of you chaps love to wrap yourself up in.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,209 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    'Uncle Igor and his friends are coming to dinner, I repeat..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Correct. However, one would have to think about how far they are from their own home in this case. And many other cases. Countries like Russia and USA always try each other fighting proxy wars using useful idiots like ukrainians right now.

    Russia is no different but then if we start talking about scale and number of these proxy wars and conflicts, they are amateurs compared to the USA and their track record of uprisings, revolutions, coups or "humanitarian missions".



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Ukrainians are "useful idiots" because they want their freedom and want their state to remain in existence? Wow.

    Sure shows what the Russian propagandists really think of Ukraine, doesn't it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    haha... that's a fantastic clip.

    Their own media - by the looks of it a very experienced Washington journo - are practically calling them liars to their face!

    This is exactly what you deserve when the world knows you have a long and sordid history of fabricating intelligence to invade countries and start illegal wars. The American public are getting pretty sick of their government inventing reasons to take them into another war.

    The star spangled boy who cried wolf! 🤣

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Maybe even move some nukes to the border, just to scare the crap out of the yanks as well.

    "Nothing to see here, it's all a figment of the imagination of the MSM."

    also

    "Russia will move nukes to its border to scare the crap out of the Yanks."

    The mask of the warmongering Putin lovers always slips so quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Hard to believe so many here willing to support Putin. Remember the Cork fishermen!



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Point out the part where I say I WANT Russia to move their nukes to the border.

    It's highly improbable that they would move those sorts of weapons around, but their beef with the west is all about having NATO missiles and weapon defense systems too close to their territory for comfort. So you can never completely rule out the potential that Putin might like to point a few of his own weapons at NATO to return the favor.

    But none of that means I expressly WANT any of this to happen. It's simply a theory on my part - a highly improbable theory. There's a big difference between saying what COULD happen, and what you WANT to happen.

    Again, proving your poor comprehension skills when deciphering other people's quotes.

    You're not covering yourself in glory here Mr. Loopy.

    Have you figured out how Putin's displeasure at the fall of the soviet union equals antisemitism? Still waiting to hear your logic on that one? Don't worry, I won't hold my breath. 😂

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Millions per month they are there ,and Likely less money being spent in the local economies where the troops home base is ,

    It all adds up ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Ah Shao Khan, you should admit like a good few others on thread you do have a bit of sneaking regard for Mr. Putin and other autocrats & strongmen + their methods.

    Tone comes through in all your posts and contrasts with what you think of Western leaders. Just own it, even though it does you no credit. I suppose that is why you fight it if it gets mentioned in a response. Maybe it is going at the man rather than the arguments but it does grate a bit.

    The scary thing is people like you vote and your vote has equal weight to anyone elses! Well Hitler was voted in (just about), Trump + the Grand Qanon Party nearly won the last US presidential election so I shouldn't be surprised really. Maybe there's 15-20 % of "them" in every democracy even when things are going well let alone when things are not good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Explain that please. The Russian economy will be hurt because the troops are spending money in one part of the country rather than another? Makes no sense.

    Europes energy woes are of their own making. Russia has always fulfilled its long term contracts and now Europe turns to short term spot pricing and are getting squeezed.


    The Russian economy is benefiting from the crisis.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Russia still sees itself as one the great powers of the world.

    We can laugh at them here in the west, but it doesn't really matter what we think. That's what they believe.

    They see the west trying to dominate their region of the world, and they feel disrespected and humiliated by this. Why would you want a nuclear armed superpower with massive natural resources to be pi$$ed off and humiliated with it's place in the world?

    It makes for an unstable and potentially very dangerous world. Show them some respect, give them some security guarantees, and perhaps we can all co-exist more peacefully together. Thumb your nose at their concerns, and perhaps we all get to live in a very dangerous and tense world for the next few decades.

    If we allow our arrogance and ego in the west, to prevent us from reaching some sort of agreement, what will future generations say about our society? That we stubbornly took what we saw as the moral high ground, and plunged the world into another depressing cold war? (or worse?)

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There not spending money on the Ukrainian border



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    An agreement? Like Neville Chamberlain reached with Hitler in 1938?



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    You can't give in to the likes of Putin and his regeim, to peacefully co exist because they don't want to co exist they want to expand to be a more dominant force in the world and they will keep chipping away the stronger and more level with the west the get the more likely they will be to use force again to gain there next objective.


    They only understand one thing and shouldn't be appeased more kept in check.


    Because if the shoe was on the other foot they would be nowhere near as reasonable or tolerant as the west is.


    You only have to look at there own country to get an idea of what sort of world they would implement left unchecked and unchallenged.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    I never made any secret that I do have some admiration for certain aspects of Putin's leadership qualities. I don't like everything about the man, however.

    I still don't understand how having any sort of soft spot for Putin, means that I want him to bring nuclear weapons onto the border with Ukraine? Can you explain that logic? As this appears to be what you're vaguely suggesting.

    I wouldn't put much weight behind opinions from people such as yourself. It's very obvious to me, when I'm conversing with someone who has little if any ability to think for themselves. This is why our own political systems have become such a giant waste of time in many western nations. In order for a nation to create any leaders worth voting for, you first have embrace the sort of culture that promotes freedom of thought... because most great leaders have a mind of their own and strong convictions. But we don't value these characteristics anymore. It's more important to be popular, than it is to think for yourself. Right and wrong-speak, cancel culture for daring to have a view that goes against the consensus opinion etc etc.

    We actually deserve the type of useless leaders we get in the west. Our culture has created these spineless empty suits, that spend their entire career flapping about with no vision or strong direction.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Yes, he is such a brilliant guy - stealing billions from his own people. Happy to keep the democratically elected leaders we have in the west, if the option is a dictator and a thief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Newsflash Russia isn't a superpower !

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You claim to value freedom of thought and yet admire Putin, who kills his opponents. 😄😄😄😄😄

    No more needs to be said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It's good that you don't like "everything" about Putin & his leadership. Always thankful for small mercies. I don't know if you want him to start shifting mobile ICBMs about the place in Russia to "spook the Yanks". You seemed a bit excited by the prospect in your post (which would be insane of course) but it is hard to get the tone in text.

    Well never the twain shall meet and all that. I would put zero weight behind your opinions expressed here either. Above, you are regurgitating a load of what have become very boring alt right/far right type tropes. There may be truth in some of these criticisms of "the West", but when you look at the people and politicial movements in the West who are loudest in coming out with such stuff (and who supports them as useful agents of chaos - people like Putin!), it is clear it is stopped clock territory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Every thing about Putin is stage managed..the strong masculine image, the sound bites etc. And yet, for all of these "impressions" , in his 20 years in absolute power, what has he done with Russia that is positive ??? He has created a warlike state, that people / Countrys can't wait to leave. Now suppose that he had taken it in a different direction, created a state that Country / People would not want to leave??? A thriving powerhouse of a Country, wealth evenly spread throughout the population? One where the biggest problem would be controlling its borders to stem the flow of immigrants.??? Nope, its falling birthrate is a testament to what its own Citizens think about it. There can be no worse condemnation of a Country, then when a 3rd of all pregnancy's end in abortion, and these are actual pregnancy's, and when you add in a falling birthrate, due to couples using contraceptives etc. you have it all in Putins Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Aggression?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Putin has fairly obviously had a lot of plastic surgery done and is pumped full of filler around his face. He is small in stature and walks almost with a limp, he walks like he's carrying around an invisible suitcase full of cash - wonder what gave me that idea. His face used to resemble that of a greyhound but now looks like that of a particularly ugly version of Lolo Ferrari, minus the hair and the boobs.

    He is a deeply insecure individual on a basic human level, never mind the insecurity brought about by being a the leader of mafia regime he has raped his country to set up and perpetuate, resulting in him almost certainly being the richest man in the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Tigerbaby




  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Well that's interesting isn't it... you've agreed that there may be some valid criticisms of the west, but you are suggesting that you would distance yourself from those particular stances because they tend to be part of a certain political movement.

    But this says more about you than anything else. You're more interested in being seen to be on the correct team in life, rather than having the courage of your own convictions. So yes, you have just confirmed that you are exactly the beast I predicted. You care more about being popular, than you do about thinking for yourself.

    This mentality, in a nutshell, is what's killing our political systems in the west. And quite a lot of other things too.

    And you're also very lazily trying to lump me into the same nice neat little box too. Because you've picked a team yourself, in your own head everyone else must be on a team too! It's lowest common denominator stuff really. 😂

    But anyway... back to the topic at hand.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Is the system in the US. so different to that in Russia.

    To become president in either country you need the support of a tiny minority of billionaires.

    Both the US and Russia can be considered oligarchies.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    In 2007 he was already worth 40 billion dollars. Thinking about how much he has amassed in the years since is mind boggling.

    You don't buy yachts worth 100 million dollars and a massive palace overlooking the Black Sea on the nominal salary of a Russian leader.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/dec/21/russia.topstories3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    He's definitely had a few different looks he's a real Katie price.





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