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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Fallout2022


    German intelligence has discovered that Russia has moved their strategic arrow stockpile to the Ukrainian border




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    If this was to happen. An invasion would happen very quickly. Right now, no real emergency to do this. The US needs to stop the Russiaphobia headlines it's providing to journalists and the media. We forget the big picture Russia is a nuclear superpower. We have to accept got genuine security concerns and ignoring what they have to say can potentially trigger WW3. All bets are on if Russia takes all of Ukraine, i wouldnt bet against a military clash between Russia and Nato after that.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How do Members of Congress get so wealthy? How did Biden's son end up on the board of a Ukranian energy company? Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, socially-conscious healthcare is a long way off, college costs an absolute fortune. A tiny fraction hold most of the wealth. Blackrock and other companies are going around buying up 100s of properties at a time, just as they doing in Ireland.

    Russian/American gangsterism in particular is not the issue. It is a given.

    The issue is that a tiny fraction of the world's population hold most of the wealth and poilitical/military power. On the wealth side, we can debate fairness and limits on ownership. The power aspect is more dangerous, especially when there are large militaries ready and waiting for instructions. These centers of power are a threat to us all and (it is often forgotten) to their own people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    American F35s and crews arrived in Germany today , after F15s arrived in Poland this week along with aircraft from Nato arriving in elsewhere in eastern Europe ,

    And to think it's been claimed on here American ran away 🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I've no idea - I'm neither a Putin fan or expert. Imperial leaders have used othering language since time immemorial...Africa, the Caribbean, Ireland....look at the language of BoJo around Muslims..

    That Putin quote is debated as to whether that's exactly what he said, it's been the subject of some fact checking and it seems some meaning has been a bit lost in translation. The version you're posting I believe is attributed to that psychotic war mongerer and US imperial warlord in John Bolton and I take nothing he says as verbatim. Putin was primarily talking about Russia's loss of stature.

    The speech he gave in 2020 didn't seem to 'minimise' the holocost but as I say I'm no expert although sharing a platform with the corrupt mass murderer and good friend of US imperialism Netanyahu is not a good look!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    So was the invasion of Poland but you didn't pull that poster up....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The 'truth' still searching for the 'truth' but while searching is content to post lies....



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    There would be no "russophobia" at all if the Russians didn't randomly decide to mass there troops in an aggressive posture on the boarder of a nation thats of no threat to them.


    If they do take Ukraine i sincerely hope there is a full force response from NATO otherwise it is redundant as an organization if the likes of Russia can just take over independent nations on a whim. Regardless of what Russia threatens the rest of the world cant be held hostage by there threats and allow them to invade who they like.


    What security concerns? As if nato gives a **** about russia how would they even justify attacking it? the security stuff is just an excuse no nation would want to attack russia for no reason.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    The US system is fucked up for the exact opposite reason to Russia - there is too much "freedom" - ie. an almost total lack of oversight and regulation in the political and media spheres. This leads to the rich accumulating vast amounts of wealth and controlling the political and media environments through propaganda and disinformation, mainly for the benefit of the cult like Republican party, who have absolute fealty to the richest and the most powerful.

    But a terrible president can still just about be voted out, thankfully, as we saw 15 months ago. You can't do that in Russia. If you want to oppose Putin, inside or outside Russia, expect to end up dead.

    Anyway, the deeply flawed US system has no relevance to Ukraine. Ukrainians just want to live in peace in a decent society. Russia doesn't want to let them. Russia wants to bring the jackboot down again on their neighbour.

    And that is what all this is about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    You lumped yourself in that box with what you post, if it quacks like a duck. Likely on firmer ground thinking that about your politics, than you are with assumptions about my own beliefs and mindset.

    I am certain those political movements we're speaking of are not going to achieve anything good (well apart from for the people who lead them and attach themselves to them, they will profit if they get power of course). Think the evidence has been clear in the countries where they got a bit of political power (US/UK). Putin is very confident they will send everything down the toilet. That's why he has supported them.

    To go back to topic somewhat...as for these problems of the West in 2022, well Russia seems to have a few more serious ones, as described in many posts above. That is what Putin's tenure wrought. Collapse of Soviet Union and decisions of Gorbachev and Yeltsin + policy of the US/West towards Soviet Union back then are all receding into the past (a generation ago now). The fairly bad state of Russia then (and also the total mess made of relationship with neighbour Ukraine) has to be laid at the door of Putin's leadership. I said I'd take the limp wristed (Irish?) bureaucrats over Putin's track record, I'll have the stuffed shirts also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    If you aren't going to bother keeping up with the thread you can hold onto your bait ive no interest, as far as im concerned you ve been dealt with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    America is a cancer to the world? Beautiful xenophobia there.

    One would imagine that it is the us that are amassing an invasion force on Ukraine a border with ridiculous comments like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Toddle on then, you've exposed yourself time after time...lies , lies and lies...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Here's the type of "freedom" Crimean Tatars are "enjoying" under Putin.

    Russia sentences Crimean Tatar religious scholar to 11 years for ‘thought crime’

    14.02.2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Apparently it's a 150,000 strong army made up of CNN, MSNBC and CBS correspondents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Now hold on, the US are responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the 21st century and they contine to play a malevolent role in more corners of the globe by dint of their military and economic power than any other nation on the planet. By all means critique Russia but stop with the sanctimonious defence of US imperialism...it's an insult to people who've suffered and are suffering under their reach.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    The only one thats been exposed is you, its there for everyone to go back and read i did a proper job on your misinformation. You have a good day now comrade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    What has the US's faults got to do with the wish of the Ukrainian people to live in peace, free of the jackboot of Russia?

    Where are your own "critiques" of Russia? Nowhere, that's where.

    And don't wheel out more weasel words like "I'm not a fan of Putin".

    Pretty much all Putin propagandists say that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Ah the us overlords, they really crushed Irish freedom by providing investment and jobs and supporting the Irish cause during the troubles.


    I do not support the wars in the middle east but to claim that America is a cancer is just unfounded hate.

    It's also an irrelevant subject when we are talking about Russian aggression toward Ukraine. America does not illegally occupy Crimea and it does not have a large invasion force amassed on Ukraine a border. Russia does.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If you posted a picture of putin riding bareback , people on here will reaching for Lube 🤢



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Yeah Regional power at best, they cant stand up to the US even on there own soil in a conventional war never mind NATO, its why putin is trying to do a false flag rather than outright attacking he knows what the US would do to Russia in a war even on there doorstep, They lose the conventional war and the Nuke war the US can beat them on every front.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Oh man prepare yourself for a heavy dose of whatboutery and Putinism you ll be going in circles for hours as he peddles his lies and russian propaganda.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


     

    Ukraine is not an independent state. An organized western-backed coup removed the government of Viktor Yanukovych. Silly to claim this was a people’s uprising, when leaked audiotapes showed intervention by the west. The US involved itself in the country affairs before and after the coup. Russia knows all well this is an active measure attempt to keep Russia weak. Anyone who doesn’t see that living in a fantasy world. 

    Russia warned Ukraine joining Nato is a red line that should not be crossed. Ukraine is silly enough to do that then and Nato accepts it's our fault for all consequences that come later. Massing troops inside the borders is still not an invasion. Russia asked the west to compromise. West prefers to weaponize Ukraine. Nuts but we heading the wrong way.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂 ^



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Well you know, Russia is forced into this because Nato has surrounded it, it's Russia's right to defend itself. But not Ukraine, they have no right to sovereignty. Yes the only way for Russia to defend itself from tyranny is by destroying Ukraine. It's all fine though because you know, the Ukrainians are just Russians in denial right? I mean if you want to use democracy of course they don't see themselves as Russians but after Russia invades, murders them, inserts their political leadership, takes control of all elections and media and re-educates them, they will understand, that they were Russian all along. Really this is a liberation. Thank goodness the Russians are here to liberate their neighbours. The US are just pissed because they wanted to brainwash Ukraine into giving them all their resources.

    There's like an hours worth of standup material in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Viktor Yanukovych was impeached on a 328-0 vote by the Ukrainian parliament after he sent the hated Berkut in to massacre peaceful protestors on the Maidan.

    He then fled to Russia and into the bosom of his fellow criminal Putin.

    Yanukovych should have spent most, probably all of the rest of his life in prison.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/euromaidan-rallies-in-ukraine-feb-21-live-updates-337287.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The British army moved the royal Welsh Battlegroup from Germany to Estonia to add to the royal tank regiment already there who were supposed to be relieved instead they will be staying In Estonia with double the forces



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Doesn’t make a difference what is said on boards. If people think we should stand up to Russia and fight back, and western leaders go with your line of thinking, we end up in a bad situation. I don't want my family killed in a potential clash with Russia because we thought it was a good thing for Ukraine to join Nato. It is all grand having opinions, a war against Russia is a civilization-ending war.Want to be off your head to not try to calm that situation down and reach a diplomatic conclusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Oh well, at least 110% of Crimeans voted to be a part of Russia. There's always the -10% who don't want to play along by the rules (which are subject to change without notice). 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A US President can be voted out sure. But the rich elites that control US politics remain in control of the country despite the wishes of the voters.

    The electorate influencing the political direction of America is largely an illusion.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    You're on here defending a dictator and his war, and defending a Russian puppet who sent in the firing squad to annihilate peaceful Ukrainian citizens.

    The notion that you give a flying piece of excrement about the well being of any civilians is utterly laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I dont think you understand. Appeasement has never worked. If you reward someone for aggression, you can only blame yourself when they are again aggressive in the future. If you do not stand up to them now, you will be defending your own home in the future. There is no problem if Russia wants to pursue a diplomatic route but if we allow them to flout international law, it will lead to more chaos and loss of life than a regional war. The world has had declining wars and war related fatalities since WW2 because we have international law and a world order, Russia can not be allowed to tear that progress up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They ignore that nugget,

    You can talk about anything American did but not Russia,

    One of Yanukovychs election promises was to hold a referendum on removing russian forces from Ukraine permanently,but before he legged it to Moscow with billions belonging to ukraine he signed an order extending Russias lease on the Black Sea base in Crimea



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


     It is not appeasement to accept Russia's demands about Ukraine joining Nato.. Think this is a logical step to avoid war. Can turn down other demands deem unacceptable.

    Russia has always said Ukraine joining Nato would trigger an invasion and any attack against Crimea would be met with force.

    US and Uk and major powers are still around to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine just because they felt like it someday. Nato thing will push Putin to act aggressively, Putin is trying to secure that Nato deal with the west before he leaves office. If we ignore it our fault., my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The US administration seems intent on war. If any false flag occurs it is more likely to be from the US side.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,741 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yes it's the US with thousands of troops and heavy weapons in Ukraines border, threatening them and sized couple of regions back in 2014, and illegally annaxed Crimea.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Still toddling on I see, not an argument in sight, lies, lies and more lies....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    NATO is and always has been a Russian red herring. This is not about NATO. This is about blood and soil Russian fascism, the fact that Putin will not countenance a flourishing ex-Soviet democracy on his doorstep because the very existence of such threatens his bloodsucking criminal mafia regime, and all out hatred of the west - insane, murderous, hatred.

    Nothing can ever satisfy Putin. His demands are always completely unreasonable, and there will always be more. He is like a shark, he can never stop, and he is to be trusted as much as a shark off a Sydney beach.

    It is beyond time that the tables were turned on this monster, up to and including the decapitation of his regime and his transportation to The Hague to face war crimes charges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    There are more US and other NATO troops on foreign soil than Russian troops.

    Every effort should be made to avoid war but the US are ratcheting up the tension saying invasion has been imminent since the start of the year.

    Biden is trying to bolster disastrous approval ratings by trying to appear a strong man in negotiations with Russia.

    Biden is not a strong man.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Not really sure what you mean by the 'Irish cause' or indeed the point your making, it would be hard to find many people who didn't support it, didn't Libya supply arms?

    As for FDI, you're quite right they did, though their motivation for it can be debated, however it hardly absolves them of their crimes, does it? Indeed if you follow that logic in the Ukranian situation you'd be excusing Putin because of every supply!

    I made no comment about cancer I stated factually and correctly that US imperialism is a malevolent force who have committed some horrific crimes in the 21st century and they are currently committing directly or by proxy similar crimes today while parading themselves as paragons of virtue in this situation.

    It's not irrelevant FFS, Ukraine is at the centre of a geopolitical conflict between two imperial powers,the US couldn't give two f@cks about the Ukranian people or democracy or sovereignty and anyone who argues otherwise is at best naive and at worst dishonest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I see @Gatling descending to crude posting....always a sign of someone running out of ideas...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Simple question, straight answer

    Who would you prefer as the world's foremost super power; Russia or the US?

    Please answer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Putin should face war crimes charges in The Hague, along with Bush and Blair for their illegal invasion of Iraq which resulted in half a million deaths.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    If you want to debate issues with me I'll thank you to not use expressions like 'weasel words' or 'putin propogandist' thank you. I've been civil to you in our dealings and this is not the first time you've resorted to such language and lies.

    Secondly, I'll thank you to respond or discuss what I write and not what you think I write. I made no comment about the US being at fault for Ukraine...I have made critiques of Russia, but the point your missing is that the issues with Russia are well stated here and in the media, there's no need to add to it in any substantial way, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the US/UK and the posters here echoing their propaganda. It's valid, it's factual, it's relevant and most of all it's necessary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Good job most people aren't that way anyway or we d all be speaking German now. Submitting and appeasement are all fantastic ways to get peace! We only have to offer up the Ukrainian people to have peace ourselves! what a great deal!


    And then the Russians know anytime they want something just threaten war and we ll submit because we wouldn't want to risk anything Jesus they d have the life of reily.


    No one wants war but Russia is forcing it. Not the us or anyone else but RUSSIA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Theirs a slight difference there, the NATO troops in these places are ALLOWED there AND they arent there to invade and take over another nation.


    The US couldnt ratchet anything up with out Russia first and foremost positioning there troops in an aggressive manner and posturing for invasion. Their is a few massive holes in your theory.


    Least of all we are leaving out the fact that Russia has already invaded and taken over a part of Ukraine. So it doesnt need much ratcheting to believe russia would invade again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I'd prefer to live in a world with no superpowers obviously as I'dimagine most people would. I suppose it depends on your perspective too, in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar I dare say the US but if you're in Chile, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua I'd say you'd get a different answer...



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