How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

Ah, yes, your precious bicycles. I don't know what country you live in, but here in Ireland there is howling, gusty wind with horizontal rain, and it's been like that for the past 48 hours at least. Anyone on a bike not blown off the road or into the path of a sensible vehicle, has probably only avoided that fate due to being soaked to the core and thus weighing more.

Ideal cycling conditions - if you're a seal.

Paying back the carbon debt

However, it’s also possible to compare the vehicles over time, to see how long it would take to repay the initial “carbon debt” incurred by the production of a carbon-intensive battery pack for EVs. For example, as already noted above, a new Nissan Leaf EV bought in the UK in 2019 would have lifetime emissions some three times lower than the average new conventional car. Looking at this over time, in the figure below, shows that while the battery causes higher emissions during vehicle manufacture in “year zero”, this excess carbon debt would be paid back after less than two years of driving.

MPGe = Miles per gallon equivalent ( roughly estimated based on price of petrol and electricity )

Renault Zoe = 180 MPGe = 1.31 L/100km

Peugeot e208 = 170 MPGe = 1.38 L/100km

Gas is the preferred fuel now to help with fluctuations with renewables, it was never going anywhere, until we get more interconnectors and storage.

However gas is expensive and future plans are to develop huge amounts of wind off the west cost ... sell it into the UK grid and drive the marginal cost of electricity in Ireland down at the same time, we are extremely fortunate to have such an abundance of energy AND car manufacturers are scaling up EVs such that they will be cheaper than ICE in a few years. Really helps with the security of supply also.

Polestar themselves have said that their 2 SUV can take as much as 201,000 km before there is a net positive benefit in terms of CO2 emissions over the equivalent petrol Volvo XC40. Obviously this would be even more if it was a comparison against diesel, and I don't even like diesels. Anyone that's thinking of buying an EV on the spurious grounds of saving the planet would be well advised to read this. In fairness, at least they've the courage to be honest about the supposed 'greenness' of EVs.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analysis-polestar-lifts-lid-lifetime-ev-emissions

Not surprising but good to see it in black and white. Fair play at least to them for releasing that data. Laughed out loud when I read: VW "compensates for unavoidable emissions through climate protection projects”.

Not planning to change in the next couple years, but thinking about the future

"Today's CSO figures show that a total of 15,814 new private cars were licensed in January, a reduction of 6.7% on the same month last year."

BEVs comprised 11.46% of car sales, but overall sales were down. Energy costs and Government 'Green' driven initiatives to bankrupt people appear to be working. Rich people can afford new EV's while many can't.

As someone who loves his "sh1tbox" electric car, loves even more spending < €3 to drive it 200km+ , and relies on change-fearing folk to take the hit and keep the party going , I thank you 😀

I'd say a big percentage of that is down to diesel not being available isn't it? There's still plenty of people that would buy a new diesel if you could get them. The dealer where I worked new car sales were 90% diesel and the rest petrol and evs until 2021 when they phased out diesel

As mentioned at the top of the thread, petrol here in the Netherlands has already reached €2/L here. Diesel getting close to €1.70 I saw €2.239 at the weekend even. Currently motor tax is free for EV's but that will end in 2025. From what I understand they're still looking at how to structure it then. Tax is currently based on fuel type and car weight. Government have been considering tax per KM's driven for a long time, implementing it is another story.

Manufacturers I should have said but most manufacturers will have ice phased out by next year

Is anyone actually surprised? The motorist is the cash-cow that helps fund these type of schemes rather than benefit from them.

Exactly. Nothing for folks who have no choice but to use a car for work and just life in general. People who live in cities and can use public transport have not had to deal with the cost of living crisis the way those who do big mileage or those living in rural Ireland have had to, so the solution the 'geniuses' in power have is to make it cheaper for those who weren't really feeling the squeeze anyway. And then they wonder why there is such ingratitude from the electorate.

Of course the electricity credit and the other cost of living supports are welcome news but the price of petrol and diesel is clearly a big issue for people who have no choice to drive, and not one red cent of help there.

Motorists have never gotten any joy from an irish government - they are a cash cow to be flogged regularly, with n expectation theu show gratitude for it.

Lets not forget heating also, the bleeps could lower the excise on heating oil too insted of trousering the massive windfall with big smiles. The politicians are loving this for the revenue windfall and are annoyed that they have to pretend to care and inconvenience themselves with making it look otherwise and coming up with some token gestures to placate the populace.

and if the Ruskies go gaga in Ukraine the prices will go through the stratosphere 😕

with no end in sight😕

One thing I have noticed with EV's and Boardsies who have them - Many of them can't seem to get out of them fast enough and move to the latest one that comes along. My x month old EV is so great I couldn't wait to sell it and buy the latest kid on the block.

So inspiring.