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RTE Investigates [RTE 1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    I don't know to be honest....she has 2 careysfort asset estates companies registered in 2 different jurisdictions... obviously the English registered companies bank a/c was used for some reason obviously to her advantage instead of the Irish registered same company bank a/c



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What profession regulator should have been at play here? The PTI program was clear that even though she claimed to be registered as an Accountant and with the Tax Institute, she was not. So I’m not sure what shortcoming you are referring to.

    Incidentally, professional regulatory bodies tend not to be make up solely of people from the profession they regulate. They also tend to act a lot swifter than waiting for the Courts or DPP to decide on a sanction.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In fairness to the financial services regulators /Irish Central Bank, as soon as they come across companies acting outside of their remit and entering the territory of financial advice etc they tend to pounce and make it public

    Unfortunately this company worked somewhat under the radar and got their clients through word of mouth and cash transactions mostly



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It is easy enough in one way for Revenue to take action. She funded her lifestyle on the money whilst living here. There was no income tax, prsi, BIK, etc. paid on that. They will form an estimate on what they think is owed and it is up to her to disprove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    She has all the money hidden elsewhere. She's no fool. The fact that she's got this far with her dealings is a testament to her and she still hasn't been arrested or confronted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    But how do you know this, was she an employee of the UK company, was she liable for taxation, BIK etc here 🤔 we just don't know .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Still don’t see how being shareholders in a soon to be liquidated/struck off company benefits her clients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Exactly, all revenue ever say is " we are of the opinion that you owe us XYZ" . So you either pay up or incur more penalties or skip the jurisdiction or prepare do do a bit of porridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭sugarman20


    Who referred all these people to her? I know the programme mentioned a barrister but it's a bit odd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    in other circumstances would the business model actually work.


    Tom has €300k mortgage and still owes €200k but is financially distressed.


    Toms bank sells the mortgage for €100k


    with the sale of the mortgage the business relationship between Tom and his bank ends.

    Toms Bank (assuming no interest for simplicity sake) writes off €100k as a bad debt. Tom has already paid if €100k and the mortgage was sold for €100k

    the new lender now owns Toms mortgage and only paid €100k for an outstanding debt of €200k


    they can decide to :

    a) try to recover €200k from Tom and make a nice profit

    b) agree with Tom that he only has to pay back €100k (ignore interest for simplicity sake)


    am I stupid - or is this a very good business model if done in a very transparent way?


    is it not a win-win-win for all involved



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 QuickBen


    This woman's behaviour disgusts me no end!

    I can't understand how she could spend all that money from a business account without her accountants requiring some clarification. The bank statement posted by Dempo1 is addressed to the UK company and to its registered (virtual) address. Therefore those bank statements formed part of the accounts. The 2020 unaudited accounts submitted to the UK Companies Office were prepared and submitted by an accountancy firm. Or at least their name has been used on the filing. The company had fixed assets of 63K (the BMW?) and current assets of 54K, possibly the client funds in the bank. The company had 0 employees in that financial year.

    I go bonkers when my clients accidentally use their credit card for a personal purchase. The transaction goes to the director loan account if they have one or it forms part of their salary. Why would a large firm sign off on accounts based on such sketchy bank statements?

    I'm not a hurling fan so not familiar the family. They have my sympathies. But I am curious to who is Jack Carey who was previously a director and who ceased as a person of significant control in July 2019. He managed to disengage prior to the business starting to "trade".



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, it would be illegal in all circumstances unless the company was registered with the CB, and to do that there are a lot of regulations to comply with.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    She is listed as a director so she will be able to respond regarding the status of company employees.

    Regardless, Revenue don't need to know this. They will give her a (pretty much non-negotiable) bill and a period of time in which to pay it. It is then up to her to prove her earnings to them. Revenue have huge powers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes but those questions won't be coming from Revenue, they'll be coming from HMRC who, from I can see won't be particularly interested unless she's avoided UK taxes

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Living and working here, she is subject to Irish income taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1



    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1



    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭arctictree


    How do you know that she hasn't just totalled all these drawings at the end of the year and filed it in her tax return and paid the tax?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not if she's an employee of an English company but again, we just don't know, I'm not entirely sure this notion, Revenue will be getting involved in this, stacks up.

    From what I've seen on this Debacle (Take other companies out of the loop) she's ran this entire scam through a UK registered company. HMRC will only have one concern, Tax/Vat liable to the UK government based on turnover, income , not a person in Ireland being scammed.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Sorolla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Lol , sorry , I'm on the Live line thread also 🤣

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭SOPHIE THE DOG


    From checkmypostcode website:

    "N1 7GU is a large user postcode in Hackney. It was first introduced in September 2014.

    'Large User' postcodes are allocated to organisations which receive large amounts of post. Unlike standard geographic postcodes, which cover up to 80 addresses, a large user postcode is unique to a single address.

    To the best of our knowledge, the current address of this postcode is:

    Made Simple Group, 20-22 Wenlock Road, London N1 7GU"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Sorolla


    Im also jumping between Threads - welcome back cawler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭SOPHIE THE DOG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Involved until 2019! I thought they fell out long before that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    She has a brother jack... could be another jack carey



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭pjordan


    Mighty research going on on this thread. I was compelled to join in myself so I went looking for potential offices for Carey on Wentlock Road in London and came to this exact spot https://goo.gl/maps/oVKBbfAhPiNe2xP6A and Made Simple Group just happens to be a UK Companies Registration and Formation company. So what's the betting that she just happens to be also using their services as a shelf company address and mailbox in the UK, rather than having any actual physical presence there? Obviously no crime in that persae but just another layer of the deception....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    From what i can see she is no master criminal, and is clearly mentally unhinged, she's literally stealing and spending and all in public and this behavior has been going even when she worked for the family ? the chick is batshit



  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭bytheglass


    best. boards thread. EVER. 👏🏻

    I tip my hat to all contributors! Very entertaining to read all the super sleuths, well done and keep it up cus yez are doing fantastic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I'm not in the least surprised that she was able to do this without either accounts or audiors becoming alarmed.didnt we have a situation not all that long ago where one of the leading auditing firms in the country missed/ turned a blind eye/ ignored whatever a situation where one bank transferred 9 billion! To another bank in December and then received back the 9 billion in January! Did the auditors go to the wall? Like hell, they changed their name from Ernst & Young to EY !



  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Made Simple offer a virtual registered address service. I doubt Catriona ever stepped foot inside the doors of that building.

    Edit: just read your next post 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭robwen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan




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  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s the registered address for Watershed International Securities Ltd

    Catriona Carey- Job Title - Legal

    Alan McGuiness - Finance & Accounting

    Margaret P McGuiness - Legal

    Ciara Ruschitzko - Legal

    Neil Armstrong - Finance & Accounting

    https://ie.globaldatabase.com/company/watershed-international-securities-limited

    I’ve found out nothing about the McGuinness’ or Armstrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    It wouldn't have done much good. He would just owe €35k less when the bank repossessed and sold his property. He obviously owed a lot more that €35K, was in negative equity and in arrears.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    That BMW wouldn't last a second if it were me that was shafted like this. Amazing how she is getting away with it. Amazing how more of the "victims" haven't even confronted her. Imagine handing over 30k and receiving BS holding text messages for 24 months and not driving down to Kilkenny looking for answers. Mad stuff all round. Before I have to much sympathy for the "victims" I'd like to know how distressed their actual loans were. Were any homes actually repossessed and were any of them even in court about it. I get the feeling a lot of them were looking for cheap way out of their financial commitments and believed all of the Jerry Beades land league bullshit doing the rounds at the time. They though they could pull the wool over the banks eyes.

    Carey's shenanigans are obviously illegal. It's theft.

    The victims though were not and are not vulnerable. The are stupid. That's harsh but it's true.



  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    @dempo you forgot to check this!

    I use my phone and not a laptop/pc so I can’t do it. I have no idea which company that she’s connected to might have been claiming this covid payment though.

    Anyone else want to search it?



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  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    @Gusser09 i know yer woman on prime time last night who got a loan from the credit union is still in the house as she said something about her partner “working hard to keep this roof over our heads” and looking up to the ceiling of the house they were filming in. If the banks have never repossessed, what the hell were they at handing money over to Carey?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    This is it. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. They bought into the BS of the land league freeman nonsense I think. A lot of them did. Their mortgage was so distressed that the Credit Union handed them 10k. Yeh pull the other one love. RTE should have asked to see mortgage statements to ensure everything tallied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It really is quite baffling to be honest, she is also not listed on the mortgage according to the report.

    To my mind the only story I'm believing without any doubts is the lady from Cork (I think) , she borrowed the 5K .

    Not a single person interviewed was actually asked about their mortgage situation, what led to them being duped, was their a repossession pending ( I suspect there was) , had they maintained mortgage payments, even interest only.

    I don't ask these questions to be critical of the victims but it certainly would have been more objective had RTE given more insight into the victims situation rather than allow people assume their backs were up against the wall .

    Post edited by Dempo1 on

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I'm wouldn't think there was a repossession pending at all. Why would they still be in their homes 3 years later? I'd say they were going though the process perhaps in the courts.

    As we all know though if someone is trying their best to pay what they can afford based on their financial means then repossession is impossible in this country. Especially with engagement. I was in the repossession court about 5 years ago, Out of 75 cases not one order was granted. And there were people who were in 50k arrears and only paying 200 quid a month to service a mortgage of 1200.

    There is something about the victims that just doesn't sit right with me. I can't put my finger on it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm sorry you went through that and hope you came out the other side. Its precisely experiences like yours and many more that I believe there was a repossession case pending or in progress, your correct , they can take years but equally much quicker depending on circumstances, particularly if there is no effort by the homeowners to engage .

    I read recently for example a local circut Court had 134 repossession cases listed , this is a Midlands Town. All adjourned and many already adjourned multiple times.

    Without knowing the victims stories (apart from getting duped) it's difficult to really reach an objective opinion and I just felt the main program did not adequately cover what led to this victims being duped.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I was there to support my brother but yeh I get what your saying. The one thing the registrar kept an emphasis on that day was engagement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Apologies, I didn't realise it was your brother, but yes absolutely, it s all about engaging and when at all possible maintaining a payment, even if was interest only. My own mortgage was sold to a Vulture fund along with 12k by PTSB I had challenges (medical) reduced earnings but tiny arrears and small mortgage remaining. I never got to a repossession situation. Cleared arrears gradually and restructured , so I have a little understanding on your brothers experience 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,699 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Anyone know how you would manage to spend 2k in a shop that sells hockey equipment? They just play with sticks, Im wondering is the whole team playing with gear bought with the proceeds of this scam. Also she spent 22k in one go in Armani Exchange in Orlando, unless she was buying jewelry she must have been struggling out the door with tons of bags.

    Anyway it seems that she was involved in the whole ecosystem of scam artists that was set up during the crash and promising people they could hang on to their houses without paying the mortgage, all that Freeman of the land nonsense. I cant link to it but Google "The sister of DJ Carey is linked to shadowy trust", the article is by the Mail on Sunday and Pressreader have it.

    It states that Catriona Carey is one of three "main players" in Charlie Allens trust and that they were holding meetings in hotels in Kilkenny back in 2013 for people who were in mortgage difficulty. The scam was that the householder would pay a fee to to this trust and also sign over their property ownership and power of attorney to them, the trust would then take on the banks in court and then take 10% of the value of the property as their fee.

    The article says that this trust claimed to have ownership of more than 1 billion of property, some of those who were scammed handed them over multiple properties. Also Thomas Byrne (FF TD) met the owner of this trust (Charlie Allen) at Leinster House becasue a constituent of his was involved and was getting worried. Allen told Byrne that they had a legal loophole to keep all the properties. Byrne (who is a solicitor himself) told him no such legal loophole existed and the meeting ended abruptly. Thomas Byrne then reported Charliie Allen to the Gardai but obviously nothing ever came of that. He also went into the Seanad and made a speech on it claiming that it "had all the hallmarks of a scam"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭hawley


    She spent about a thousand euro in Armani, not twenty two thousand. Her whole holiday to Florida cost 22k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,699 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    sorry, you're right, 22k on the 7 day holiday which excluded the price of the flights



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