3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

I'm not talking about the Boom years suggestion of relocating Dublin Port, I'm talking about the proposal being pursued by Drogheda Port Company right now. As it is a smaller project and not a replacement for Dublin Port, Gormanstown is not required. There is a tender out for financial and economic consultancy services right now;

As I alluded to in my post, the new port is unlikely to be viable on a purely commercial basis, DoD getting involved could make it viable. The advantage for DoD would be having a blank canvas to create a modern port, rather than trying to integrate into an existing port and the security challenges that would bring (assuming there is even an existing east coast port which will have them). Its operation being linked with Gormanstown could also alleviate some of the challenges of space restrictions at other locations. Time it would require to have operational would certainly be a problem though.

Removing port facilities in Dublin and replacing at Bremore was a policy of the PDs, if not the government they were part of. There is no such policy now and the only plans are to strengthen Dublin Port in its current location. Any articles you see now and people wondering "what if" but it's not going to happen.

Bremore is a plan from Drogheda Port Company, they are pursuing it in spite of Dublin Ports expansion. Like I said, it's hard to see that being commercially viable but maybe there's an opportunity for the NS to "buy in" to it for the benefit of both.

Having built the Dublin tunnel, it will never happen

The provision of Ports and Airports to meet National Strategic and commercial needs is a task of Government. Unfortunately the "P" in PPP is often hidden money with parallel gain objectives. Many named developers are NOT spending their own private money as many have no liquid assets but are backed by varieties of Vulture Funds. Deliberately destabilising an existing port by siphoning away cargo traffic is the equivalent of empty commercial properties in Cork, Dublin and elsewhere, with Flag businesses moving or closing down.

As regards the "boats" statistically one could be based in Dublin area and one in Cork and one in Limerick and Waterford. Navigationally they are to be equipped to OPV standards with ECDIS etc. Berthing possibly within a secure marina but preferentially a secure Naval Berth like a secure gated floating dock system like White point Cobh or Monkstown also in Cork harbour.

Rosslare not a goer?

Fake news.

Theres a huge jump between the RN saying they won't be chasing migrants because the sides are too high, and the RN seeking to lease suitable vessels to do the job. The RN Top scrambled egg are on record saying it is not their job.

Also, he's talking shite. The Irish NS were rescuing people from dinghys in the Med using similar size vessels as the RN OPV fleet. At the ends he contradicts himself by saying the RN and Marines can't do the job because they are not warranted.

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Dont really have any sympathy for the british on regards to there migration issue. What was the joke tommy tiernan had, he couldnt understand the english they invade half the planet and then get upset when those people that country where invaded follow them home

In all countries there are a bank of jobs that are regarded as only doable by well educated, nicely turned out young people. These jobs are where the worker is in direct contact with customers as in shops .hotels, gastro-pubs etc. The target staff are often students or married females that want a few hours. In general where Hotel groups find indigenous staff are too difficult to employ they will find ways to recruit from abroad.

The Irish staffs wouldn't regard such jobs as a career but those coming in from abroad settle in permanently more readily. Our population is well over 5m. I believe it is much higher due to burgeoning tax takes. The State thinks there may be 150,000 un-registered citizens in addition to all the EU free to travel cohort.

If we now take global unrest and population dissatisfaction we will see an increase in migration attempts providing a steady pool of work at anything migrants.

They evidently intend to make the replacements much more capable vessels. The latter of the two current, Faire, cost €2.3m at 2008 values. Although with runaway inflation, maybe 20 mil won't actually get them much more than the outgoing models.

When the Customs got their boats, the only concern was yachts bringing stuff in from North Africa.

Now suddenly the border in the Irish Sea may mean they need to be able to go much further, for longer.

€2.3m adjusted for inflation is the same as €2.4m today.

CPI Inflation Calculator - CSO - Central Statistics Office

What's wrong with the current boats? They are new enough to be getting rid off rather than getting extra boats in addition to

They aren't built of steel like naval ships, they are lightweight, largely aluminium, launches. And so service life is not really something that can be ignored. They do take a pounding in Irish coastal waters and as we see above, the new boats are obviously intended to be much more capable.

Keeping these two on would also increase the manpower requirement of Revenue Customs by between 24 and 36. That's not a cost they can absorb with current budget.

Those are exactly the questions that should be analysed and answered. Cutters are an enforcement asset. Currently we rely in policing on the Bank Door principal that citizens are compliant and won't enter a bank with locked doors. Only robbers do that and armed police respond usually. On the matter of future cutter use that question should also be answered with necessary refitting and updating.

While that may be the case in the UK, it is not the case in Ireland. The basket is reviewed every 5 years, and only includes full price items.

The boat is not made of just aluminium and zinc. Manufacturing, equipping and labour costs would be in line with the CPI. Given that many contracts use the CPI as an index, I'd be willing to assert the valuation is accurate, in this case.