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Kurt Zouma thinks it's funny to use a cat as a football

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    funny how there's hardly any backlash about Sir Mark Todd, either here or in the uk about whipping a horse with a branch on social media, but then again he's white, and hasn't had to pay any sort of fine as far as i know. Is it his colour ? or is it the type of animal ?



  • Posts: 7,989 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll go with cos he's a 'Sir' and he was also involved with those posh type 'sports' : Showjumping and Eventing - My opinion as to why he gets a 'pass' .. If he was a 'working class' chap like Gordon, well....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    As far as I can see that story all over social media with people calling for all types of things and sanctions.

    2 day ago: Looks like the BHA has handed Mark Todd an suspension as a trainer following the incident as well and is banned from racing. He's also lost a load of sponsorship deals as well.

    Bizarrely I can't find any update on the Zouma story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    was there a fine of a quarter of a million pounds, people calling for him to be sacked from his job ? were his animals removed ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Unlike Zouma He's effectively been suspended from his job as a horse trainer and can't race horses so his income loses will probably be a lot more than the £250,000 wage fine than Zouma got. Looks like he like Zouma could face further legal action. Looks like he could also be financially penalised by the BHA.

    AfIk the horse he whipped wasn't his. So no it can't be taken off him.

    But do continue to make it about the colour of his skin etc because obviously that's very relevant.

    But looks like that story is all over social media. Not sure why you thought it wasn't. Maybe start a thread on it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Do you think the law should be different for people who get paid a certain amount? What has his financial situation got to do with his behaviour in this case? If someone looks up to you, should you be held differently under the law than me? Seems like weird criteria to consider. Surely the law should be equal for all and punish him for his crime equal to if it was you or I?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Good question. No, I think anyone who engages in that kind of behaviour should face serious legal consequences, whoever they are. In this case, I think, a legal/investigative process is ongoing and that should continue.

    My problem in this case, is that people, especially children, look up to football players in particular. Now while to my mind that doesn't impose an onus on players to be paragons of virtue, I do think there be an absolute red line beyond which a player should never cross. And if there were such a line, Zouma would have crossed it. Thusly, I have a serious problem with West Ham keeping this vile scumbag on the team, and given their failures, their sponsors like Betway for continuing to allow their names to be associated with cat kickers.

    I'm not a fan of "cancel culture" to say the least but in very rare cases, it's warranted. This is one of them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,859 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Now, I assume everyone who is getting upset about a horse getting whipped, is also against horses getting whipped while racing... and wearing painful and uncomfortable bits... and being forced to run around with someone on their back... and just their general confinement and lack of bodily autonomy. Or is there a level of exploitation and inflicting suffering that's acceptable for entertainment? Just a little suffering is ok as long as humans can have their day out wearing hats and placing a few bets?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,913 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    The law isn't different or being applied any differently to either Zouma or Todd. AFAIK criminal investigations are ongoing.

    They are also members of their respective professional and sporting organisations who value their public image and reputations. Membership is a privilege which brings certain benefits and corresponding responsibilities.

    The organisations have their own codes of conduct including consequences for members whose actions damage the public image and reputation of the organisaions. This is separate to the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Agreed, so mentioning his salary is completely redundant and in no way connected with the crime/behaviour. He should be investigated then dealt with by the law. Be it a fine, conviction, whatever the law demands.

    The post I quoted mentioned his financial situation and that he shouldn't be in a position of influence or trust.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Good question. No, I think anyone who engages in that kind of behaviour should face serious legal consequences, whoever they are. In this case, I think, a legal/investigative process is ongoing and that should continue.

    Yes, especially when they promoted what they did online.

    My problem in this case, is that people, especially children, look up to football players in particular. Now while to my mind that doesn't impose an onus on players to be paragons of virtue, I do think there be an absolute red line beyond which a player should never cross. And if there were such a line, Zouma would have crossed it. Thusly, I have a serious problem with West Ham keeping this vile scumbag on the team, and given their failures, their sponsors like Betway for continuing to allow their names to be associated with cat kickers.

    When I was a kid I never looked up to a football player. I don't know why there is this prevailing attitude that kids love football and football players as if no kids are interested in any other sport. I was never interested in football and have never watched a football game in it's entirety in my life.

    I'm not a fan of "cancel culture" to say the least but in very rare cases, it's warranted. This is one of them.

    This has nothing to do with cancel culture. CC is about cancelling a person because of their opinion, something they said. Kicking a cat is not an opinion. It's animal abuse and imo laws should be more severe on it than they currently are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Zouma was fined by his club. Not the State. If he chose to bring the fine to an employment tribunal it would most likely be easily overturned (unless there is something specific in his contract). No idea who Mark Todd is but who is his employer and how much is he paid per week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭stellamere


    Apologies for my last rant, it was ott, wouldn't have said it to your face, so don't know why I thought it was OK to go off on one. My bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Mark Todd is a horse trainer and involved with horse racing in the UK. So self employed. As of two days ago, his licence to train and race horses has been suspended based on an incident of him hitting a horse. On the face of that looks like he'll be down a large amount of money. Also reported that the British Horseracing Authority ar investigating the incident as well and like Zouma may face other penalties and or charges. The animal involved involved (a horse) was not owned by Mark Todd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Ok so he does not have an employer to fine him (unlike Zouma) and is subject to a worse ostracism from his sport than Zouma has been?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Some would say that Mark Todd is (deservedly) having as bad a time of it as Zouma. He's actually been suspended from racing in the interim period, while a full investigation is carried out.

    He also could be banned/fined following the investigation. The RSPCA are not prosecuting as too much time has passed (2 years)

    One large retailer has cancelled his products and made a stronger more direct statement than any of the sponsors in the Zouma case.

    Equine and farm supply company Equiwarehouse was the first to say it would be 'cancelling' Sir Mark and refusing to sell any more of his products.

    The firm wrote: 'With no regret at all, we will no longer be selling any Mark Todd clothing, horse wear or feed.

    'Mark Todd Eventing you should be utterly ashamed of yourself, vile 'professional' and disgrace of a human.'

    This story was covered very widely and it is bizarre to say that he was treated differently because of the colour of his skin. The only difference I can see is that Football is more popular than equestrian sports so a Footballer would be more widely known. Personally, I had heard of Mark Todd, but never heard of Zouma before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I recall the guy who sat on the dead horse got much more press than Zouma aswell. I think the 'racism' angle is a nonsense.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,410 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Appreciate that. I wasn't as polite as I should have been either. Apologies.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Kurt Zouma played today for West Ham and no one cares.

    The media machine moves on



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