Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

And so begins the great backtracking.

We all knew it was going to happen - all those erstwhile open supporters of Brexit will soon be quite difficult to find.

Already seeing a good deal of “We were lied to!” commentary in Britain. Basically refusing to take any of the responsibility upon themselves. Which is of course complete nonsense - they were surrounded on all sides by others warning them not to do it, that it would be a disaster. But no, no that was all #Project fear. Instead they (surprisingly) decided to listen only to that information that appealed to their sense of British exceptionalism.

They were the ones that decided a massive decision needed no further research despite all the dissenting voices. They were the ones who were “Sick of experts”. But now that they’ve found their promised pie is nothing but empty crust (as they were warned) suddenly it’s everyone else’s fault.

Personally I have very little sympathy.

The NI protocol in action in Germany. "British" cheddar, from Tyrone, sold in my local Lidl. This cheese used to come from England. The DUP are so maniacal they can not bear the thoughts of NI benefiting by being less British. The cheese even has a union flag on the front. It's orange through and through lol.

Any exmaples cus all ive seen is the usual bloviating and standard we knew what we voted for etc

No one forced them to pick up a red top. Plenty of other papers out there

Hard to find a Liverpool shop selling it. Hillsborough was only the tipping point though as the paper had been portraying Liverpool as the worlds biggest shthole for a long time before and was forever insulting it's people. I'm sure all the Scouse bashing played well in London and the South.

Being from so called "stab city" I have certain sympathy for Liverpool and their portrayal in the media.

She's an MP because she took over the safe seat of her ex husband, alleged and then later convicted of sexual assault, in a trial that has a humourous accidental catchphrase even though the incident wasn't in any way humourous.

I find that people who support Brexit are unbelievably forward-looking and optimistic. Literally any positive story regarding Britain is viewed as a "Brexit benefit" even if it has nothing to do with Brexit at all. Bear in mind the ONLY positive stories recently about Britain are speculative. Something good will happen, or should happen.

What I don't understand is why Brexit supporters never look at the past or present and see the slow collapse of their economy and society and the trail of destruction left by the Tories, and that the vast majority of these positive stories are quickly exposed as lies of half truths.

I check in on a few Brexiter YouTube channels, and it's actually scary to look through dozens of past videos proclaiming Brexit benefits that just never materialised. There's no retrospection. No accountability. As soon as one promise is exposed as bullsh*t, Brexiters have already moved onto the next thing.

Name one Brexit benefit that has actually materialised and is paying dividends? I can't think of any.

Surely thats mislableing? How can it be Great British Cheddar if produced in NI which is not part of GB??

Cost free? Even the UK agree the deal is awful for them.

Massive costs of red tape for business. Massive shift in logistics pipelines particularly in NI.

Loss of any say in future EU direction.

Having to agree largely one sided deals with the likes of Australia to be seen to get anything done.

The enormous cost of the last five years in terms of government bandwidth not to mention actual cost.

Massive lorry parks, massive truck queues. Slaughter of 30k pigs whilst people are forced to use food banks!

If it was such a great deal, why have they spend almost everyday complaining about it? Why was Frost, and now Truss, spending so much time trying to renegotiate it?

Yeah we saw the UK try to recruit lorry drivers specifically, and fall spectacularly on their faces in the process. Brexiters like thinking they are in control of immigration but actually the would be immigrants are. They chose not to take up the offer of being treated like something a Brexiter stepped in.

Edit: As for "cost free"...erm, have you seen the reaction of British businesses to the friction caused by not being in the single market and customs union at all? There is huge cost here. UK GDP is way down when compared to its Doppelgänger economies and the downturn came with Brexit.

You keep telling yourself it's all rosy though, but nobody here is buying it. The fact the Daily Express is still chock full of anti-EU propaganda is highly indicative. They must continue to push the line that staying in the EU would have been even worse than this because Brexit simply isn't delivering the promised upsides.