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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Putin is a chess player. He will push for whatever he can get away with. Full scale invasion or part occupation or fullscale invasion followed by a withdrawl after negotiations. All likely at this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,892 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Id assume he wants a land bridge to his Crimea base. But also to shore up how strong he is at home. Show of strength to his mafia friends who's money is probably big enough to topple him.

    He's a murdering scumbag but is also invading a neighbouring country. But hey ho here you are defending that action and claiming a little invasion is grand sure he's not going the hole hog. Isn't America so stupid for thinking its the hole hog he wants haw haw haw America look at how silly they are. Putin has them eating out of his hand haw haw haw.


    Or some other shite....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    Of course they have the capabilities for a strike on Ukraine, what strike are you on about? Air strike? They have the capability to invade Ukraine. I know, everyone does. Why are you pointing out the blatantly obvious?

    I don't even know what you're on about to be honest or have any idea what the point of the whole post was, I don't expect the Ukrainians to come out and say the blatantly obvious that they couldn't stop an invasion.

    I'm simply stating it is very very unlikely Russia will launch an an invasion of Ukraine like the USA is claiming, they are completely over exaggerating it saying they are going to invade the whole of Ukraine and try to control the whole territory. There is a realistic possibility (as there has been for several years) that they might make an incursion into pro Russian territory Donbas, if the USA were saying that that's what an invasion means then I would not be complaining as it is realistic to be fair. A complete take over of Ukraine as claimed by the US is not realistic at all



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The Crimean land bridge already exists - its called the Kerch Strait Bridge. Opened for rail traffic in December 2019. Next?

    As for the "show of strength" motivation for a conflict - if that is the reason, who do you think is more desperate? Putin with near dictatorship control of Russian elections? Or Biden, facing into a mid-term election with disastrous looking projections for the Democrats and Biden personally?

    Lets face it. We are really in "Wag the Dog" territory here. A weak US president seeking a foreign conflict to distract from domestic weakness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    This is the sort of stuff that is coming from the Joe Biden mouthpieces on this thread since it started.

    I come on this thread in the evenings sometimes and all I hear is the same crap that I heard Joe Biden say on the radio on the way home.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The best card for Vlad to play now is to not do anything. Say those pipelines were not blown up by Russia and they don't believe Ukraine did it either. Throw the direction at the Americans and false flags.

    There will be a lot of anger around Europe if the gas supplies are hammered and prices skyrocket. Accuse the Americans. Create a rift between Europe and America.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Sand A weak US president seeking a foreign conflict to distract from domestic weakness..


    Why are you making crap up ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    I think you're an Irish nationalist on some other threads. It is weird to see you on a thread where there is a discussion about a possible invasion of a weaker country by its nuclear armed, former Imperial master and you chose to support the imperialists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,892 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Looks like Germany coming to putins rescue isn't going to pan out the way he hoped.

    Or they way the likely crew on here thought either.




  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    one of the many words I'd use to describe it... but it's not about me..

    if you're happy to conclude Sky is just propaganda, maybe you should look at the other sides equivalent



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  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    I think their foreign minister is from the Greens rather than the Social Democrats though so is less reflexively pro russian.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As far as I understand it, there isn't massive support among ordinary Russians for an invasion of the Ukraine. So Putin is defying his own people if he orders this to go ahead.

    I try to avoid personalizing events like these because the world is so messy and power is diffused through multi-layered systems, but Putin is going solo here, giving two fingers to his own people and most of all his serving military who he is putting harm's way.

    I wonder are there powerful Russians looking on, perhaps having lived in the West for a while (for all its faults) and thinking... if the Russian State took a different approach domestically and overseas, we could be one of the wealthiest, most prosperous countries in the world. I hope so. Ordinary Russians deserve better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Lol 🤣

    An invasion of the little avenue behind the best chip shop in Kiev is unlikely.


    Next week you'll be saying that they will take the front of the chip shop but not occupy the cooking space.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    We've enough information to have a relatively informed discussion.

    I don't buy the whole whataboutery and screams of 'give me the evidence' coming from some quarters. There's plenty of evidence piled up at this stage that Russia is planning a major invasion.

    It seems only a manual headcount of troops on the borders would satisfy some people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He still has every reason to think Germany will be there when needed down the line.


    Why wouldn't he. Nothing in action has indicated otherwise, cheap words like the above tweet this do not count for much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,892 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Because they've no interest in further damaging EU solidarity post brexit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    If what Biden said last week comes true, that we will see a full scale invasion against Ukraine in the next few days that will include an overwhelming attack on Kyiv the capital, then I'll take back everything I said and I'll be on here ruthlessly condemning Russia. I'm just saying I don't believe either him or Boris Johnson.

    Although I do think some sort of agreement will eventually have to be made in regards to the pro Russian territory like Donbas and Crimea, the situation in Crimea and Donbas is far more similar to the Chechen situation than the Irish situation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,892 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Honestly you think Germany will go it alone if Putin invades Ukraine with 3/4 of its active military.

    Is that what you believe......



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    By extension you are pretending the US is not an imperialist power?

    The reality is Ukraine is a multicultural state. Ethnically Ukrainian in the west and north. Ethnically Russian in the east and south. That is a broad generalisation, covering language and heritage. The ethnic Russians see a connection with Russia in their best interests. The ethnic Ukrainians see a connection with "the West" in their best interests. A responsible Ukrainian leadership would steer a middle course, trying to avoid forcing either group into a hard choice. That is not how things have panned out - in 2014 there was a violent overthrow of a democratically elected Ukrainian government by pro-Western factions. This has forced a hard choice.

    The pro-western Ukrainian government has followed this up by various repressive measures against the ethnic Russian minority - outlawing education in Russian, outlawing media in Russian and placing ethnic Russian politicians under arrest for treason. If you want to make a comparison to Irish nationalism, the Ukrainian treatment of their ethnic Russian minority who found themselves in Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Union reminds me more of how the Northern Irish government treated Irish Catholics who found themselves on the wrong side of the border after the partition of Ireland.

    Let us be serious now. Unless the solution is ethnic cleansing (something I have seen proposed by more rabid supporters of Ukraine) then the solution to the conflict needs to involve Ukrainian recognition of the ethnic Russian minority and their right to be educated in their own language, to enjoy their own media and elect their own political representatives with some autonomy from a hostile Ukrainian government. A Good Friday style agreement would go a long way to resolving the issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,892 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Swallowfield.

    Its a new name I've coined for someone who swallows an entire field of bull and regurgitates it as facts or 'in the know'



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Listermint - Its a new name I've coined for someone who thinks I care what they think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I don't see much evidence for a full scale invasion against Ukraine apart from the troops on the border, which should be noted that there were a similar amount of troops there last year in spring and years before that as well.

    There is a realistic possibility they could invade the pro Russian territory of Donbas like they did Crimea but little to no possibility of them trying to take the whole of Ukraine like the US are claiming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,892 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Why keep responding to me then Swallowfield. Evidently you are interested in what I'm saying enough to construct your paragraphs of stuff you clearly copied off all of those social media sights 'you aren't on' lol..



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They won't be going alone,to varying degrees Austria, France and the Dutch are there as well.


    Germany will undermine these sanctions same as it did after Crimea. The Germans are pragmatic, often to a fault.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,892 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    There was never 3/4 of the Russian active military on that border. Enough with the lies.

    There is now though.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I gave you a one line response? You're projecting a relationship that doesn't exist. Stalker much?



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