Sacked doctor sues former employer for refusing to call trans-woman "she"

It is impossible. Whether that fact can be called scientific any more, who knows. I will always rely on something I call an observable fact of life rather than “science” that will soon “find out” that day is night and night is day, the way things are going. When I see someone with an Adam’s apple, a certain pitch of voice and a certain build to their body, I always know I am talking to a man, no matter how much eyeshadow he is wearing, let alone how much he wants to convince me that he is a woman. If me stating an observable reality such as that, becomes a hate crime or hate speech, the society will be going down a very dark path. And a very sinister one, if we add in the fact that womanhood is already being negated and denied by the medical use of such ridiculous terms as “chest milk”, or “people with wombs”. Excuse me, I am a woman, I have breasts. It’s not my fault that trans women were born without the possibility of growing their mammary glands (because they, er, how can I put this politely, are MEN!) and are trying to negate the reality of my biology just to make themselves feel better about it. It is fcuking ominous and it makes me furious.

I’m not a person who upholds science, I don’t particularly care for it one way or the other to be honest. I don’t know many people who do, to the degree that they would commit themselves to various scientific endeavours in the pursuit of knowledge. I’m only putting that out there now so you have the choice to waste your time reading the rest of my post.

Definitions and all the rest of it aren’t a question of science or medicine or anything else, they’re a question of language, and language comes from having the freedom to express ourselves. It’s such a fundamental part of recognising everyone in society as being of equal status, that the right to freedom of expression is codified in many Western legal systems in one way or another. You’ll often see it here that posters when they receive an infraction for being a dick, they complain about their right to freedom of speech being violated. It’s not, but you get the point - depending upon whichever Communist regime you grew up in, I’m sure you’re acutely more aware of the value of freedom of expression than most people in the West who take the right for granted because they grew up under some form of democracy - we’ve never had to think about the value of freedom of expression.

I don’t think it’s an attempt to distort reality or anything else, I think it’s an attempt to express reality from their perspective. It’s not something that bothers me personally, not because I’m a man or anything else, but because the impact it has on my life, or the obligation it places upon me is literally zero! How many posters here on this thread alone, do you see going out of their way to declare that they will not submit to the New World Order? They’re quite happy with the existing one, thank you very much 😏

That’s the world order where science, biology, social order, has always been dominated by men, and will continue to be dominated by men. That’s not any particular man’s or woman’s fault, nor is is their individual responsibility. I don’t think for example the word ‘vagina’ would have caught on in the English language had it not previously been part of Latin, referring to a sheath or a scabbard for a sword. Gladius, the Latin for sword, was used to refer to penis, which only makes sense if you’re not a person who upholds science and instead are a rather juvenile sort like myself who can think of hundreds of ways to refer to parts of the human reproductive system that they didn’t learn while studying Latin 😒

Sadly not a language we learned in school, was taught by my mother, long after the Vatican decided that mass was no longer required to be said in Latin, but some Catholics are of the “Fcuk you I won’t do what you tell me” variety -

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40768860.html

They’re quite prickly about pronouns too -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/02/16/catholic-priest-baptism-sacrament-invalid-vatican/

Nevertheless, the point is that even among women, the terms invented by men to refer to womens lady bits, are often regarded by women as oppressive, offensive, illogical, or just plain outright outdated -

https://www.womensrepublic.net/vagina-the-oppressive-original-meaning-and-why-it-matters-today/

All that being said, whether anyone claims to be relying on science, religion or whatever other system of naming things and referring to people according to what they’ve learned, the point is that in every case, they’re aware of what they’re doing. In the case of doctors in the UK who are required to adhere to their profession’s code of conduct, overseen by the GMC, they are required to refer to patients as the patient wishes to be referred to. They are also required to keep their personal beliefs and opinions to themselves. It’s what it means to be a medical practitioner, who adheres to and upholds the code of conduct and standards of their profession.

The man in question here in this particular case is perfectly entitled to exercise his freedom of expression on his own time, outside of the confines of his profession. He too tries to say it’s not him that decides however people are referred to, it’s science, or religion, or truth, and yet the Employment Tribunal provides plenty of evidence that this chap wouldn’t know fact from fiction if it was literally staring him in the face. He’s merely going by what suits himself, and using backward rationalisation which suits his purposes, to justify his behaviour towards others. That’s what’s called a loose cannon, a liability, which is not something any employer wants to have in their employment, especially when dealing with members of the public.

Uh… dunno if serious? How do you square the fact that men can (under exceptional circumstances) lactate with an ideological intent to refer to human breasts as “chest”, whether by lactating or non-lactating men, who’d obviously rather the word “breast” was erased from dictionary? Where is the connection you are trying to establish here?

I didn’t post to the contrary, did I? In fact I acknowledged it myself in those very words you use above …. In exceptional circumstances! But carry on and duck and dodge the point I did make in response to you. Yawn.

Surely this doctor could have just called these people by their names? How often do we use gender specific pronouns when we're actually speaking to a person?

Ultimately the doctor has as much right to his opinions as anyone has to theirs be they trans or whatever.

I personally wouldn't want to offend anyone but the entrenched positions people assume on these topics make them appear more significant than they are.

There are more important things going on in the world at any time than whether or not someone isn't labeled correctly by a doctor they will see presumably once in this case.

Should trans people be subjected to abuse? Of course not. On the whole they aren't and these cases really aren't common or at all the relevant to most people.

Google is your friend, bubblypop. Here is one of the hits:

Oh and please don’t come back to me with your usual intelligence-insulting moving of the goalposts, saying “And what could possibly be wrong with that??” To save time on your faux naïveté, just reread my earlier posts on “what’s wrong with that”.

//www.good.is/amp/health-professionals-are-switching-the-term-breast-milk-for-chest-milk-to-be-more-inclusive-2650558186

And STILL nothing of substance to add to the discussion, just trying to get personal with the “you are angry” and “you are making it up” comments. Playground stuff, really.