Russia - threadbanned users in OP

greenpilot · 19-02-2022 2:14pm

NATO offensive may be launched from Romania?

I'm seeing a huge increase in military traffic over the Country. Currently KC-135, C-130 and Beechking signals aircraft airborne. Yesterday, 4 f-16's were airborne.

19-02-2022 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658280#Comment_118658280

I'm frightened by both.

Derkaiser93 · 19-02-2022 2:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118657776#Comment_118657776

I haven't changed I still believe a full invasion is likely but taking the Donbas is also an invasion as I said. Or any other part of Ukraine for that matter.

As for proof of red flags, Ukraine said yesterday that the incidents were by Russian secret service , so by your own logic that should be enough since you take their quotes so seriously.

But to go further Putin has made claims of Genocide in Donbas of Russians with zero evidence. And evacuated people from there claiming Ukraine are poised to attack with zero evidence. They also released a video of an attack supposed to be from yesterday which was uncovered to have been filmed from two days ago. This in combination with the Duma recognising Donbas as a legit Republic all makes it clear.

Shao Kahn · 19-02-2022 2:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658212#Comment_118658212

And of course, as the Americans know full well, strong economic ties are one of the key strategies to avoid major wars. A big part of the reason why institutions such as the EU even exist.

Which begs the question, why would you want to do the opposite when dealing with a nation as potentially dangerous as Russia?

Even if you believe Putin and Russia are bad actors in the world, attempting to cut them adrift and isolate them, would appear to be a very foolish objective that puts everyone's security at risk. Surely we already have enough hostile rogue isolated states in the world, that are angry at the west?

But then we're talking about America here. A country that tried to get rid of terrorism, by going in and sh!tting all over the arab world with their illegal wars.

It's like no matter how many times they make these mistakes, they never learn a single lesson. But hopefully here in Europe, we can wise up and not follow their lead on this.

19-02-2022 2:27pm

Must say,it's almost amusing to watch RT coverage today of the clearing of the Ottawa truck protests

Apparently Trudeau is a dictator and it's an affront to democracy...

RT has no self awareness

Economics101 · 19-02-2022 2:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658175#Comment_118658175

You are quoting Tucker Carlson on Fox News. That man is a round-the-bend, conspiricist Trump supporter.

Snooker Loopy · 19-02-2022 2:30pm

This sort of propaganda has been force fed to Russians daily for many years.

https://twitter.com/yermolenko_v/status/1494968976237023233

BorneTobyWilde · 19-02-2022 2:33pm

Russia would never invade if the US, EU, UK all made it clear that they would protect Ukraine through military action. Instead they have walked away, and made it clear to Putin he has a clear path.

19-02-2022 2:36pm

The pro-russian posters just want to put distance on the thread between posts showing that Western Countries have in concert now hardened their position and identifed a list of responses which will have dire consequences for Russia while avoiding the need for boots on the ground.

If Russia do invade there is no certainty they will succeed to hold ground captured and even if they do it will be a pyrrhic victory.

circadian · 19-02-2022 2:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658175#Comment_118658175

Tucker Carlson has no place in a rational discussion.

Snooker Loopy · 19-02-2022 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658345#Comment_118658345

Also Tulsi Gabbard who is on that clip is a stooge for Russia and Assad, as well as the fascist RSS in India. She is a professional chaos agent, similar to Glenn Greenwald in the way she operates. She has become hated by Democratic voters and didn't bother running to retain her House seat in Hawaii in 2020 because she would have lost the primary. Do not be surprised to see her re-emerge in the near future as a full on Trumpist Republican. Whatever her "values" are, they are definitely not the values of freedom, democracy and truth.

19-02-2022 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658359#Comment_118658359

What worries everyone is Russias 6500 nuclear warheads

circadian · 19-02-2022 2:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658225#Comment_118658225

I believe we will if it comes to it and I'd welcome any Ukrainian refugees coming this way. Sure we're halfway up **** creek with housing and cost of living but given our past it would be wrong not to.

19-02-2022 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658371#Comment_118658371

You can not sell oil, gas and natural resources to Customers who are dying of radiation poisoning. The nuclear threat rings hollow.

MFPM · 19-02-2022 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658052#Comment_118658052

What is it it people here that they can't reply without spinning or inferring meaning I simply stated that the rhetoric had hardened and that was linked to the US stepping up their rhetoric, tge West needed to be seen to be united even if they all have their own competing interests. I made no comment about puppets FFS....

Snooker Loopy · 19-02-2022 2:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658340#Comment_118658340

I've seen Irish people parroting the line that Trudeau is a "tyrant" while simultaneously maintaining that Putin is a grand fella.

Imagine how round the bend you'd have to be to believe this.

19-02-2022 2:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658343#Comment_118658343

Jesus Christ that is some amazing reading comprehension you have. Where did I say that?

I pointed out that democracies don't rely on "majority rule", but that a passionate minority (especially in tandem with a large cohort of disengaged people) can rise to power through the system.

The Nazis in 1932 got 37.3% on 84.1% turnout or 31% of the electorate when they got in. By having a flabby "middle" and the commies (and Jews and the rest) to target they were able to completely take over. Putin's party doesn't even need to pretend to win a majority of the votes to still claim a majority of seats. Boris won with about 29% of the electorate voting for his party in 2019 yet you'd think he has all the power and mandate imaginable. Less than a quarter of the eligible population voted for Trump in 2016 yet he got it.

I mentioned the US as a contrast to multi-party places (which are usually PR because otherwise smaller parties die off), and was using "multi-party" as a better system. But it still is nowhere near perfect as seen above with Germany in the 30s. Or in contentious places people may not take seats. I was making the point that even in a democracy it doesn't take majority support for a government to do something.

Even in our PR system we can see some weaknesses. If you have a party (SF) who no-one will get in government (for now) but have large support then you're stuck with parties who ran against each other going into coalition. It's messy and it barely works but nowhere, **** nowhere, did I suggest anything along the lines of Russia's tinpot governance would be better than what we have.

Democracy is always under attack and needs to be properly protected, especially from within because it doesn't take 50%+1 of the population to hand over huge amounts of power to one person or one group.

But eh yeah, your reading valid too I'm sure.

19-02-2022 2:42pm

@MFPM : You, MFPM, are accusing me of spin?

Gatling · 19-02-2022 2:44pm

It's funny how certain posters bigging up Putin taking on Nato are now saying that they want to see peace as long as it involves ukraine been smashed by russia,

19-02-2022 2:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658388#Comment_118658388

True,but do we know whats going on in Putins head?He can invade neigbours and poison critics and opponents,what stops him from using nuclear weapons if he feels threatened and as a last resort.

MFPM · 19-02-2022 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658173#Comment_118658173

Good for you, I've always tried to live a bit more of an objective existence myself, thus I don't have the blindspot you have...

Gatling · 19-02-2022 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658415#Comment_118658415

He did have a little rant about nuclear war last week

MFPM · 19-02-2022 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658340#Comment_118658340

Indeed but I suppose CNN never mentioning Palestine and NBC ignoring illegal bombing raids by the US financed Saudi war machine in Sanna lack the same self awareness but that's OK in your book because well it's the US...the defenders of democracy and freedom!

19-02-2022 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658418#Comment_118658418

i saw that clip and he looked like he even didn't believe himself. It is probably exasperating to hold what is deemed "power" in the form of nuclear weapons and know you can't exploit it and know that others know that you can't exploit it.

Shao Kahn · 19-02-2022 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118658345#Comment_118658345

I'm quoting a former democrat presidential candidate, Tulsi Gabbard, who is speaking far more sense than many of the bloodthirsty warmongers in her own nation. I don't care what show she's talking on.

We need more people talking common sense, and pulling back from all of this irresponsible hyperbolic war rhetoric. We need diplomacy to win out here, not war. Nobody wins if this turns into a major conflict.

"In a war, it's not about who's right... it's about who is left"