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The Canada Convoy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Now let us see a link to the horse and the bike? So we can perhaps donate to an animal charity or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    When he said trampled to death , he didn't mean it literally.



    Thats the video and the picture is the aftermath. This is what you support. You support tyrannical fascist governments that trample on old women in zimmer frames.

    You support people get arrested for exercising their right to assemble and their right to protest peacefully. You support the idea that protesters should be separated from their pets , possibly for life if they are not released after 8 days. Sick!

    You have a seething passionate hate for people protesting for rights and freedoms that were made available to you back in January. The world is seeing Trudeau for the cowardly little bully he is and you can't bare to see it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    Looks like they are doing everything to incite a Janurary 6th type violent out break its gone too far now IMO. mr Trudeau has escaped to his holiday home in west vancouver while this happens on his streets yes its very cowardly all he had to do was meet and talk and then decide if he could compromise on something. Just give a little all other countries have given a little look at us free to move about and interact and have entertainment. That video looks bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nah, this is how you incite a violent riot and insurrection. You don't promise to look after peoples dogs.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Would it be okay with you if Trump froze protestors' bank accounts if he declared an Emergency first?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Lols. Wouldn't be the artificially tanned ones style, he just straight up gases the protesters and sends in the riot squad.


    Also I imagine the Donald doesn't really want frozen bank accounts mentioned around him at the moment. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭growleaves


    So no comment? Okay.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I did, you missed it. Donald didn't waste time with non physical confrontational tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The question was:

    Would you be okay with it if Trump froze the bank accounts of protestors?

    Its a yes or no question which you didn't answer. That's fine because you've no commitments to answer questions from me in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    That question has already been asked of me and answered in full. Few pages back, I'll link to it if you can't find it.

    But again, you are failing to address my point, Trump would not waste time with such non confrontational tactics. Your point even hypothetical in nature is pretty moot.

    In a speech in the White House gardens, the president said: "As we speak I am dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel and law enforcement officers

    Now I know you are not suggesting the Canadians mimic that absolute loon ball, correct?



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    oh ok i see there is a very strong left right divide here well i am a peaceful person i like animals i actually dont enjoy most people and am in the centre in my views. I accept some left thought & also some right thought as each side has a view and some are good on both sides. Donald was divisive as is Biden so you may have them both. I am sad about the Canada convoy animals, horses being used a weapons and dogs being used as blackmail. thats all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Couldn't tell, I generally find anyone who has to tailor their opinion on something through the prism of left or right absolutely not worth engaging with at any meaningful level.

    But again, you brought up the insurrection, I merely replied with a video of Trump and his supporters inciting it.

    How that makes me left or right or whatever in your eyes and why you seemed compelled to bring it up is bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    Police and media trying to blame a bike being thrown under the horses is a false narrative...the "bike" they're talking about it actually the old ladies walker that they trampled over with the police horses...the fact that they tried to twist this fact to suit their own narrative shows exactly how sick they are....and how much trouble Canada is in at the moment with people like this at the wheel...

    Ottawa police realised very quickly after this incident that they made a HUGE mistake sending in the mounted police on icy roads in front of tightly packed and totally peaceful protestors...which is why they were withdrawn from the protest immediately after and didn't make another appearance....

    Somebody got their knuckles severly rapped after that incident I imagine, as the pictures of it are extremely damaging for Trudeau...and the image of the old lady (who is a well known native tribal elder in Canada apparently) will probably be one of the enduring images in the aftermath of this....


    HUGE mistake sending in the cavalry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I saw a clip of Geraldo talking on Fox news saying 65% to 70% of Canadians are against the convoy. Be interesting to see if over the next few days where those figures go. If only 10% of truckers and a few of their supporters keep disrupting supply chains in Canada I think even that 30% support will evaporate pretty quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12



    Not one member of government met with the truckers over the past 3 weeks. If there's anything we've learned in Ireland, it's that dialogue is imperative to come to good resolutions.

    If the figures above were correct, it means that Trudeau is willfully ignoring 30% of his population. You can't just ignore this amount of population and try to crack down on them with oppression and think it will be a happy ending.

    I've listened to a lot of Canadian commentators where they say this is so much more than a disagreement about mandates, but is turning into a class war against blue collar workers. Those who are opposed to this protest are literally biting the hand that feeds them. I've heard it said before that for people who live in towns and cites, they are only about 3 or 4 meals away from hunger. Starting a war with your truckers who you rely on so much, and whose shortage of ,even before this protest, was already causing major supply chain problems, was just incomprehensible for any sane thinking person.

    It remains to be seen how much of this will spread over the coming weeks and months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It's 10% of truckers. I don't see other workers going on strike in solidarity like what happened with the train drivers here a,few years. The people that they were keeping awake with their honking horns in Ottawa were working class. This is not class warfare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    That scumbag must have been one of the mounties on the horse ahead of them. When you are trampling a granny on a mobility bike it's very difficult to tell where that bike is going to go. The horse is so lucky. Those lightweight aluminium frame bikes can do terrible damage to the bottom of a horses hoof.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Aside from the fact that a highly committed minority, even if very small, can make a lot of waves and create a lot of change—The problem Trudeau has is that the Truckers' "demands" are reasonable. They are in a country with a higher vaccination rate than ours and a lower case rate than ours, and they are asking for an end to the vaccine mandates that are currently falling like dominoes around the world.

    While some here would cheer for the bludgeoning of protestors whatever their cause, there are not many who, when reminded that what the protestors in Canada want is in fact what we currently have here, would not be given pause.

    If Trudeau drops the mandates and other restrictions federally within a month or two, it will be readily apparent (even to those to whom it is not already) that he invoked emergency powers for the first time in his country's history and smeared generally peaceful protestors as Nazis and racists, simply because he could not abide being seen to "give in"—which is a terrible look for a leader in any free democracy.

    And if the restrictions and mandates go on longer than a month or two, then he will be seen to be stubbornly holding onto them and infringing on the rights of Canadians more broadly in order to avoid proving the protestors right.

    He is not in a good position at all, politically.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So it's okay to throw things at animals? I disagree.

    Even Kurt Zouma realizes that's wrong now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Geraldo being Geraldo has under cooked the books.

    The vast majority (82%) say there is no way the protest in Ottawa should have gone on this long A vast majority (82%) of Canadians say that there is no way that this protest in Ottawa should've gone on as long as it has. Those in Québec (87%) are most pronounced on this view, followed by those living in Atlantic Canada (83%), British Columbia (81%), Ontario (80%), Manitoba/Saskatchewan (79%), and Alberta (77%). 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He is not in a good position at all, politically

    He is currently not in a good position politically because the majority of Canadians believe he has been far too soft on the protests.

    a majority (71%) are concerned that regardless of the issue, this is how protests may run themselves in the future – with trucks and rigs for hire to extract their demands

    a majority (71%) say that regardless of their politics, they would vote for a strongwilled person to have enforceable law and order

    simply because he could not abide being seen to "give in"

    You've got it arsé over tít, he has refused to "give in" to the vast majority of Canadians and crush the protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Hmm, interesting take i have to say. All evidence points to zero bikes being thrown by protesters yet you double down on the latest 'hot take' from your many Google searches tell you say.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Those lightweight aluminium frame bikes can do terrible damage to the bottom of a horses hoof.

    But yet you were able to describe the bike in at least some detail. 🙄

    I think the important thing is, it's not right to throw stuff at animals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    I said i was in the middle therefore felt i could address both sides not interested in being lambasted for standing up for animals and disagreeing with the heavy handed tactics in Canada. Any civilised person would be able to see the police are being OTT and they could actually stop the whole thing by refusing to manhandle the protesters in an act of peace. Then trudeau would have only the army and they refuse to participate so stale mate and negotiation s would have to happen then .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I had read last night that the woman died. Luckily she is ok. Are people really still going with the obvious lie that a bike was thrown at the horse? First of all, it's winter in Canada. No one is riding a bike. And secondly there is no evidence of a bike in any of the photos taken during and after the incident. It's the woman's mobility scooter and it wasn't thrown you absolute numpties. There's videos. Ottawa police are lying scum. Can anyone point out where the bike is in the photo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    We are still waiting for your link to this bicycle..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,766 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You can ride a bike in winter. I've done it in Canada and it's done all over Scandinavia. I'm not debating whether or not a bike was thrown as I don't know either way I'm just saying you can cycle in winter.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,175 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Authorities who use animals against humans are the ones who need to be blamed for any ill that befalls the animals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭NSAman


    The irony of a “leader” elected by an electorate calling the opposition Nazi supporters and fascists when he invokes emergency powers for a democratic protest is not lost on me.

    Stealing peoples’ money when they disagree with you, taking their means of support for their families, coercing them into submission, is not democratic, it’s authoritarian!

    anyone who stands up for over-reach of a government should be wary of what they wish for.

    Martin Niemöller wrote that poem based on acts similar to this.

    Shame on Trudeau …. Has he even talked to those he wants to destroy with words and innuendo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Yes and the 'us vs them' mania is particularly inappropriate in this case since all that separates the two 'groups' is having taken a medicine or not taken it and everyone knows you can get covid either way - as well as Trudeau himself getting covid in the middle of this farce despite being double vaccinated and boosted.

    And what are the truckers' demands? To be allowed to earn a livelihood. Wow that's dangerous right-wing subversion right there. What's next after people are allowed to hold down jobs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So you instantly believe a woman had been trampled to death, but the police are lying about someone tripping a horse with a bike?

    And yes you can ride a bike in winter, not in 3 foot of snow but even in the likes of Canada they clear the roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Hes using the emergency power without it even being passed. Parliament was suspended so it couldn't be debated. These are not the actions of a democratically elected leader



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Well because I saw the evidence of the woman being knocked to the ground as a horse walked by. It's not that much of a stretch to think she might have died as a result, given that being trampled by a horse often results in death. Also I saw with my own eyes that there was no bike thrown and no bike in the vicinity in any of the photos. So I deduced that the police are lying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But like all of us you are no where near Ottawa but the police are. Correct? So you have admitted to spreading fake news. Correct? But the cops that are actually there dealing with the situation are liars? 🙄

    Anyway, apparently the guy who did it was arrested, he will have his day in court where evidence will need to be presented.

    The Candians being the most placid Authoritarians on the planet will probably have his bike washed and handed back to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    How is using it if it hasn't been passed? 🤔

    All parties agree to suspend parliament because of safety concerns, it will be debated and voted on next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They are "standing up for animals"

    Ottawa Police tweeted that they have rescued a dog that was abandoned in a vehicle on Wellington Street. They smashed the window and took the dog to a warm place in the care of the Ottawa Humane Society

    Bloody Authoritarian Nazis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    "And what are the truckers' demands? To be allowed to earn a livelihood."

    They disallow to earn livelihood to big-pharma billionaires..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    I know 'Link-less' boggles has me on ignore as there still is no evidence of any bicycle or a single protestor throwing anything in weeks of protests.

    But how anyone can argue against video evidence, and then use the word "apparantly" to back himself up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The bike i described wasn't thrown at a horse though. That's a fairly key point.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    His father wasn't big on the aul democracy either. He was rather fond of a bit of dictatorship himself under the guise of communism.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    Will be interesting to see if Leo tries any of these tricks when he becomes Taoiseach again later this year...He's also one of the WEF Young Global Leaders and the last time he was in power was before Covid...it seems the pandemic was a trigger for all these WEF young leaders aka Trudeau, Ardern, Macron to start pushing against their populations



  • Registered Users Posts: 18 tonium22


    Shocking to see the Canadian people being brutalized

    What's worse is the scum on this thread who cheer it on

    The tide will turn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The people cheering this on better hope they never become a "designated person". Wtaf. How is any of this ok? They have said that they will look to put some of the measures in place permanently. Bet its these. The government can then seize the assets of anyone they disapprove of.





  • Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    This seems like a pretty prophetic article, 7 years later.


    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Yip. The government’s have control of citizens bank accounts and then we have an obedient population who will accept anything.

    Schhhhhh , better not say “social credit” or “cashless slaves” just yet as I’ll be directed to CT forum by people who have problems joining dots to a picture almost fully complete.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    Good god...he should have never been elected in the first place...seemingly he only got 20% in the last election but did something like a fffg deal to get back into power again...Canadians may well rue the day



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