Sacked doctor sues former employer for refusing to call trans-woman "she"

Yes, go and enjoy your delusion that you’ve “led me down a garden path” ;) TBH, I’m enjoying even the thought of you feeling all superior right now. It’s simple pleasures, innit?

On another note, you have actually finally written something of substance to add to this thread, and have avoided insulting me to boot, so well done and thank you! And enjoy tenderising your chicken chests!

Fair play to the doctor. Not giving into a person's mental illness. Gender Dysphoria is a serious mental illness and needs to be treated as such.

Giving into the illusion does not help the patent at all. Kind of like telling an anorexic patient that they are fat just not to hurt their feelings.

Things have definitely changed over the last generation or two. Back then, very few people would have had the balls to take on a doctor or accountant or priest.

Men can only lactate in exceptional circumstances, as you have agreed with me before. Therefore I see the transwomen’s frustration as evidenced in the trans-movement trying to replace the word breast with chest (yes, I know you don’t have an inkling of it happening but it is - I supplied one link to it happening in a UK hospital setting but there are more) is borne out of their inability to lactate in the circumstances only women can. All this could have been discussed in a much more civil manner, way back in the thread, once I agreed with your first point, that namely men can lactate in exceptional circumstances. I wonder why you have decided to address where you’re coming from for klaz, yet were so unwilling to do that in the exchange with me? Because you don’t even believe that medical vocabulary is starting to be modified by dint of political pressure? It that it? :)

At the risk of stating the blatantly obvious - women can only lactate in exceptional circumstances too.

I don’t know whether it’s that you’ve misread the example article you provided, but it doesn’t support your assertion that appeasing a tiny minority of men is what’s behind the idea at all, when it has been pointed out in the same policy, that they are referring to people who specifically do NOT identify themselves as women.

In any case, it’s misleading to suggest that anyone can lactate at will as though this was due to their sex, when in reality it’s a question of biology and is due to hormones, not simply due to the construction of the breast.

I have no issue with the idea that medical and scientific literature is influenced by politics. I’d be surprised if anyone thought it wasn’t.

No, there is nothing exceptional about a woman lactating and breastfeeding. It’s just a function of a woman’s breast. So your obvious is not very obvious to me at all, but I’m sure you’ll find a way to run with that one regardless. Have at it.

Great we agree on politics in hospitals, except I feel there are some times where it should be fought against. Mislabelling breast as chest, I’m not willing to accept. Or being called a person with womb. It is a dumb and anti-factual denial of one of the main facets of the physical and psychological reality I inhabit, that of being a woman.

No offence taken, jaysis 😳

I know you were referring to men who want to be regarded as women, I don’t use the prefix ‘trans’ myself, I just keep it simple, I told you my brain hurts if I think too hard about these things, it really does, physically 😂

Aanyways, have to be brief now but the article you used as an example of your point, demonstrated not only the complete opposite, but also further bolsters your argument that women not be thought of as stereotypes! It’s not any trans-ideology being pushed in hospitals, but a recognition of reality which you’d rather hospital management ignore. They can’t do that, because it’s bigger than they are now.

They could do it in the past when they only had to deal with the individual, but now with easier access to information at their fingertips, and the likes of the Daily Mail publishing what appears to be whatever the fcuk they like, because people are lapping it up and aren’t checking their sources, you get the sort of nonsense situation where you’re going on about biology, womanhood, stereotypes, etc… and acting like it’s the world is gone mad! 😳

I would have suggested you relax and watch some Saturday Night Takeaway to take your mind off it, but I just switched it on there and it’s Ant and Dec doing a full show-stopper in drag… there’s probably something else on, but that’s put me right off 😂

Only a breastfeeding or post partum woman lactates - in normal circumstances. This “normal” denotes circumstances that are not exceptional or out of the ordinary. How you can get out of that women only lactate in exceptional circumstances is a feat of mental gymnastics. You might as well say: we are all born only once, it’s not constant - therefore how exceptional! Nothing exceptional about giving birth, being born, having sex (yes, even if not very constant!) or any other physiological process. Until we come to disease, injury, or other circumstances not accounted for by the ordinary (not exceptional) working of our physiologies.

Ah no, you know we disagree on this. What you consider reality I consider an ideological agenda encroaching on a hospital’s expressions of reality. It could be that you feel about the same about my views and are only too polite to state it. We can leave it at that, and as for Ant and Dec… nah! :D

I’m sorted with the Winter Olympics at the moment! (I keep recording stuff such as snowboard cross and keep trying to catch up - it gets pretty exhausting after a few days so I’ve been on boards.ie instead. Bad choice.😂JOKING)

As I’ve said, it is a normal physiological process, such as, and no more exceptional, than having sex is. Do you think having sex is something exceptional? After all, it is also something some women can go through once or a few times in their lives. Therefore, exceptional?