Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

These guys seem to be claiming that “that the risk of myocarditis following mRNA COVID vaccination is around 133 times greater than the background risk in the population.” And that due to the issues with VAERS “the number of reported incidents is likely to be an underestimate of the extent of the phenomenon.”

Since the vaccines don’t prevent infections, the comparisons with myocarditis rates following infection become irrelevant. Nevertheless, for a full context of this problem, does anybody know what is the myocarditis rate following infection? What I found in: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm is that rate is around 16 times, but maybe there are more recent studies.

I’m sure that tweeter is full of those experts that would contradict those studies and some of the regulars here will be quick to refer to those and refute ‘in a scientific manner’.

Seems to me that Djokovic had his research done properly and understood the risk. He made a right decision, no question about it.

Aguero did not do so well.

I know , it’s awful this myocarditis ‘ting’. The hospitals and headlines were overwhelmed with all these people being admitted to hospital with myocarditis. It’s terrible out there what are we going to do? We are doomed!

Maybe I actually did.

After the Pfizer immunization, according to study, boys aged 12 to 15 had a myocarditis rate of 70.7 instances per million, which is 133 times higher than the baseline rate of 0.53 per million. So that is where the quoted rate is coming from.

From perusing many of these types of post,particularly in the past 6 months,it's increasingly clear that many people now feel genuinely threatened by the imminent removal of the Guidance,Regulation and Care levels provided by the "Authorities" wherever they may be.

It's not unique to Ireland,as most of Western Europe has succumbed to this trait,to a greater or lesser degree.

There is very little to be gained by attempting to point out how Covid was never going to be the end-of-days event as predicted by the Experts & Authorities. (Oddly enough,even Nostradamus appears to have been mute in this regard ?) .

Now that imminent Death from Covid for the average reasonably healthy individual, has been shown to be as miniscule as it always was many people feel an obligation to trawl through volumes of Scientific sounding stuff in order to keep the flame flickering.

I believe It's neither misunderstanding or disingenuity,but rather a genuinely felt sense of loss that forces a significant number of people to cling to the hull of the rapidly sinking Covid ship.

For me,the entire production lost it's way from June 2020,with most of the regulatory element since then being far more experimental in the Administrative sense than the Public Health one.

The problem now faced by Western Europe,particularly in the light of the Ukrainian situation,is whether or not our populations are in any way robust enough mentally, to deal with threats of a FAR more lethal nature than Covid-19,and which may impose far greater levels of both Fear and Physical & Mental stress overall.

Hugo Damask in post #31969 puts it quite succinctly....

Perhaps this erasure of self-confidence and future belief is the true legacy of the Covid Public Health measures in the Western World ?

It's quite likely these types of people will tell you that had they NOT followed the rules they's all be dead and gone now.

The ability to cope unaided,has been subject to a relentless assault over the past 2 years.

People have been vaccinated with fear,and as with liquid vaccines,this Fear will need a regular Top-Up...It's now in our Genes,along with the single ply piece of flimsy cotton and elastic in the back pocket of my Jeans...just in case 😷

Yep,check it out...😉

I reckon it's ends of days stuff alright. It's like some can't cope with the fact that the absolute majority of people are just getting on with their lives don't mind the few restrictions that are there and know that that the situation is improving regardless.

The constant moaning and hysterics are worrying though. It could be argued that the pandemic was responsible as being a causative agent. Only problem with that explanation is that looking at the threads, those still complaining are by in large those who were complaining even at the beginning of the pandemic, even before the restrictions and have apparently never stopped. I guess some will never be happy unless they're having a good old moan about everybody else. God love them.

I notice today,that Boris Johnson has used the "self confidence" phraseology for the first time that I'm aware of.

Of equal interest is the Word Health Orginization forming up to give him a belt of their Crozier due to his virtual abandonment of their Guidelines.

Has Mr Johnson been reading this forum I wonder ? 🙂

It's really interesting and of significant note that the charge against the Prime Minister's accelleration of his post-pandemic timetable,is led by the likes of the WHO's "Special Envoy" for Covid,a gent with close ties to that Palace of Covid "Statistics" Imperial College London.

Good man Davey,you tell 'em 🧐

Of course what's REALLY worrying David and his many pals across the Covid globe is other Juristicions being exposed to this return to Liberty & Democracy...I mean what is your average Australian,Austrian,New Zealander,Spaniard,Canadian or Scots to make of this "Freedom of Choice" malarkey....

David and his WHO companions really DO fear this breaking of ranks,something which Johnson has quite a flair for across many different scenario's.

I believe that Johnson sees,to a degree not yet obvious to other Western leaders how much 2 years of Over Reaction and Over Regulation has damaged the core fabric of Western Society to a degree best displayed by Macron,Trudeau,Kurz,Scholz,Sanchez in their continued reliance on the WHO for permission to live normally ?

I don't think he's saying that anyone who disagrees with him is mentally damaged but that the hysteria over covid has induced anxiety disorders, OCDs and phobias among the population in general. I agree and its a point I've made myself.

The level of panic from media, governments and institutions was dishonest and unjustified. Anyone could see through it if they wanted to but so many chose to run with it.

The specious comparisons to the Spanish flu, the bogus predictions of hundreds of millions of deaths, the transparently dodgy modelling from Neil Ferguson (who made a string of wrong predictions in previous pandemics) etc., etc.

'And does no one here realise predictions made at the start were based on no mitigation with a wide range of outcome'

I do realise that because I read the original Imperial College London paper, linked it here on boards and quoted from it. That was one of my first arguments: these predictions are based on an abstract scenario of no mitigation measures whatsoever which wouldn't happen and didn't happen.

As you might remember, lockdown were not even mentioned as a mitigation measure in the ICL paper - having little or no provenance in Western medicine. Adopted on the fly by the Italian government after borrowing it from the Chinese, then borrowed from the Italians by others.

Those estimates are totally bogus given the huge over-counting of deaths. Basically anyone with a cold who also died of any cause whatsoever was being counted as a covid death.

If we are using these high upper range estimates for covid then we would match that with the upper range estimates for Spanish Flu, which highest death toll has been estimated at 100 million dead. So its still roughly 10x higher.

Like I said, then and now, you'd have to be deeply confused to compare the world now to one hundred years ago when millions were weakened by a world war, supply blockades (Austria and Germany were starved out by the Allies prior to invasion), aspirin posioning, cykotine storms so that younger populations died in the millions, lower standards in medical technology etc., etc.

It was clear to all by April 2020 that covid wasn't what people feared it would be, some kind of Black Plague destroying humanity. Yes some third world countries had higher deaths than first world countries but that doesn't vindicate tormenting people with a system of bureaucratic control and isolation, its just that we're lucky to be rich - as too are no-lockdown countries like Japan and Sweden.