Dun Laoghaire Thread. No traffic, commuting, transport chat.

@duploelabs That's just his anti-car stance coming into it. He appears to view all motorists as the enemy.

@AndrewJRenko Trucks need to supply goods to the shops in the vicinity. It is part and parcel of how businesses operate. You seem to see their existence as a scourge to the suburban landscape.

No, it’s the national policy. You’ll never here of a RTA (Road traffic Accident) from the Gardai/ RSA anymore it’s all RTC. Accidents don’t happen , they are as result of consequences and peoples actions or inaction (e.g checking tyre pressure), as such they are crashes/collisions

Actually you did say it wasn't an accident

Of course everything has a place in a chain of cause-and-effect, but my point is that the word is used to express a lack of intent of outcome

It's neglegence, quite the opposite of intent

I think it’s obsolete. Its a lazy word, that makes excuses.

Is there intent in speeding, or checking your phone at the wheel?

Now.

How about everybody shuts up and shows some respect for the dead woman and her bereaved family.

May she rest in peace.

It’s not an unfortunate incident. It was entirely preventable and happened as a result of action or in action. A coroner’s court will determine what happened and measures put in place to reduce the chances of it happening again

in the past we used the excuse accidents happen , but by looking into them we realise that they don’t and we can prevent them.

The driver and his passenger were shook up showing a lack of intent hence, accident.

I can't begin to imagine how guilty the driver is feeling.

Of course, I feel far worse for the poor victim and her family who will be greiving for years to come.

Having said all of that, trucks are covered with warnings to not come within range of their blind spots. Sadly, there have been too many deaths as a result of not heeding to these warnings.

Anyway, I will leave it there.

Jesus christ lads will ye shut up.

None of ye were there, none of ye have a clue. Puerile ghoulishness.

The word accident is used by people to infer not just intent but also a lack of fault. I didn’t intend to drive into the girl crossing the road but by looking at my phone, it was definitely my fault. It wasn’t an accident, my actions directly caused it. This is why EMSs have stopped using it and encouraged the media to do the same. There are very rarely true accidents where neither participant is blameless.

This isn't an anti-car narrative. It is an anti-dangerous drivers narrative, a narrative that is designed to not automatically let dangerous drivers off the hook with the 'there but for the grace of god goes I' kind of thinking that we've seen on this tread. No-one here knows any details about this incident, so what's the problem with using neutral, unemotional language like crash or collision?

I’m not sure what you’re looking for when you argue this point. Emergency services and the media no longer referred to them as accidents, haven’t done so for years. The reasons for this are well documented as well as explained repeatedly in this thread. We can go round in circles a few more times if you’d like?

Exactly - my point is that in common usage the word "accident" does not imlpy that there was no negligance or that none might be found in the future. It's use in this way provides avoids always having to use awkward phrases like "collision" in the context of a vehicle with a person, or a shorthand to avoid spelling out detailed circumstances such as "unfortunate fall down a hole" all the time.

What is awkward about using words like crash or collision?

I'm not going to pander to the smart asses here over the definition of a word nor do I need to re educated myself @ted1. Then again, many posters here have had it in for me because my common sense approach to matters doesn't suit their narrative.

In any case, my thoughts and prayers are with the deceased, their family, friends and loved ones.

Can we move on from this topic?

It's called stoicism. I don't subscribe to group think nor do I allow myself to be defined by the limitations, failures or misdoings of others. I do have sympathy for those who succumb to them unintentionally or where they do their level best to achieve something positive and it doesn't work out. Where exactly is your mind at when you talk of consequences?

Once again, my comments are being taken completely out of context. I wasn't referring to common sense in this particular matter. I sometimes think that my comments are half read or are deliberately misunderstood by those who disagree with my beliefs in tangible progress.

For example, the amount of times I see tangible measures of progress like capitalism sneered at by people on this site makes me cringe. Too many out of touch people who don't appreciate how economics work don't seem to realise that without capitalism, Ireland wouldn't have become as economically stable as it has today. Also, a lot of people in this country are comfortable with living off the wealth created by others while wagging their fingers at the very people and countries that create this wealth.

Back to the context of Dun Laoghaire and everywhere within a 3-4 mile radius.

When I see smart assed comments about scrutinizing the existence of trucks (the life blood of many brick and mortar companies) in the suburban fabric with social justice causes like health and safety, I will call you out on it. Yes, collision detection instruments and surveillance equipment should be retro-fitted to all trucks to alert their drivers of hidden dangers and thus, minimize recurrences of the tragic accident previously mentioned. Outside of that, any other form of contempt with their presence in suburbia is obnoxious and myopic.

Likewise, when I see people exercising scrutiny over the type of businesses (local vs international) which open up in certain locations, it irritates me. So long as it is tasteful and no historic structures aren't demolished, what is the problem?

The resultant lost job opportunities for those who would gladly take up this employment over contrived narratives like me heritage and collective identity crises is beyond stupid. Don't forget that these jobs give an employee independence, freedom and in many cases, the basis to build a life for themselves. Scrutinizing this at the alter of identity politics is selfish.

It is just the kind of stupidity that is lampooned in Father Ted. Keep stupidity and simple mindedness in fictional comedy and NOT the real world thank you very much. Otherwise, we wind up being the laughing stock of Europe. With the exception of those suffering from moderate to severe mental or physical disabilities, stupidity is not something to be honoured nor is it something to be proud of.

Another cheap shot. You don't have to be qualified to make observations on matters like economics and other matters which affect the country. I'm just a concerned consumer knowing that my choices are being dictated and limited by a certain poster here. I am a strong proponent of free market capitalism given the opportunities and wealth it creates. Many of the other political ideologies penalize success and reward failure.

You probably didn't read my point a couple of posts back where I agreed that trucks should have equipment installed. Here's a refresher:

"When I see smart assed comments about scrutinizing the existence of trucks (the life blood of many brick and mortar companies) in the suburban fabric with social justice causes like health and safety, I will call you out on it. Yes, collision detection instruments and surveillance equipment should be retro-fitted to all trucks to alert their drivers of hidden dangers and thus, minimize recurrences of the tragic accident previously mentioned. Outside of that, any other form of contempt with their presence in suburbia is obnoxious and myopic."

Well extra crew and time costs money and with sensors on a vehicle, it can be a one man job. Those that fail to read their instruments obviously shouldn't be in a job like truck driving.

There could also be an external speaker to warn people who walk within a meter or 2 of a truck to say they are entering a delivery zone reinforced with flashing lights if they are hard of hearing.

Aside from that, the rest of your comment is just mollycoddling on a commercial scale and results in further extortion from people operating businesses.

Left wing policies with ever increasing compliances and the costs incurred make it more of a risk for entrepreneurs to set up brick and mortar business.

I think pedestrians and cyclists have become complacently unobservant due the amount of onus placed on motorists. Many pedestrians are lawless enough as it is without giving them the freedom to be a nuisance to motorists.

Seriously, what is the point on putting stickers on trucks about blindspots or having pedestrian lights if no one heeds them?

The amount of times I see some numpties with their heads buried in their phones while walking blindly across the road is kind of a double standard when one considers that it is illegal to do so while driving.

We should reinstate guard rails on paths to prevent people from being able to walk willy nilly into the path of cars. The next step would then be to ban jay-walking.

It’s a good question to ask - what is the point of stickers about blind spots. Do you really think businesses get away with operating dangerous machinery in crowded public spaces by putting a sticker on it? It is down to the truck operators to find safe ways of working in public spaces. I don’t really care whether they use cameras or crew or a man waving a red flag. They have to make their work safe, and stop killing people.

If you think pedestrians are lawless, wait till you hear about drivers.

I often allude to the fact that motorists are criminally dangerous on these threads.

Okay, I stand corrected on the issue of guard rails and what happened with the cyclist there is nothing short of horrific.

Perhaps the ultimate solution in that case is road sensors on the cycle lane which detect cyclists approaching and turns the light red for trucks until the cyclist has safely passed before allowing the truck to take the turn.

Anyway, can we move on from this topic as it has now become commuting related?

Nice to see Walters is back. Has anyone been there since it re-opened?