The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

You have set up a strawman argument here. I never said anything about their 'rights'. They are 'allowed' or have the 'right' to say and do what they wish within the law.

Read carefully.

If you exhort or encourage people to involve themselves in democratic politics and then get sniffy when they come knocking on your door because they have been successful at it that is hypocritical and evidence that FG FF always had a glass ceiling in mind.

If i though you could understand it i would harry , try reading some history that wasn't rewritten by sfira you might realize the difference between politics and terrorism

There is nothing hypocritical in "getting sniffy" about something, there is no glass ceiling in place, SF could be in power now if they really had the country's best interest at heart and were prepared to negotiate with other parties (which they will have to do in the future anyway).

This is your attempt at stifling debate, nothing more.

Please. State your position correctly. 'You find nothing 'hypocritical' about FG and FF getting sniffy.

The general public don't know who is behind the scenes in any party(suspicions have been voiced many times...but we don't actually know) but constantly we get media (that will claim to be independent) phrasing their sniffiness like this...see the use of the word 'lurks'.

If I was trying to get you to vote for someone I would be articulating policy. I would also be doing that if I felt there was an onus on me to defend giving SF a vote in the last GE.

I don't feel that onus. I am here to discuss issues that interest me.

It seems you want no one to vote for SF then! (though you have to assume that others reading this will be influenced accordingly)

And now asking about "lurking" is hypocritical, it does leave you with very little maneuvering when criticising the government without being hypocritical about it yourself (you can't hide behind then GFA when facing criticism effecitively anymore). The internet remembers 😉

I would also argue about discussing issues, there has been very little issue discussing, no defence of the housing objections, no opinion around Lowry (as it will constrain your further opinions).

It does seem the SF tactic is to just avoid policy and discussion until the next election that's a few years away, O'Broin's awful performance recently (where it was effectively a missed open goal) will have them doubling down on this.

It's been good to see this all laid bare, even if the only response will be as vacuous as before.

Again with the slipping and sliding, the last discussion on housing ended in farce due to a poster not understanding terms and not being able to give 1 worked example of what SF would do (apart from object apparantly without any evidence to the contrary).

The GFA doesn't apply in the ability to be critical of members of political parties, you're trying to extend it to areas that it doesn't apply to which calls into doubt your reading of the entire document.

OK, let's break it down and avoid the slipping and sliding:

I can encourage someone to go for a job, while also being critical of their ability to do that job, the encouragement can be indepdendent of the criticality, do you agree? If you agree, then the government aren't hypocritical. If you don't agree, then you're in the same boat as your friends on this thread in not understanding a multitude of terms.

Ok, so you complete misunderstand terms then (honestly, this just seems to be the reality distortion field put up to protect the id).

Your goal is to stifle debate, but in surfacing this opinion you have made your further opinions less relevant.

Mike there was no mandate for 1916, if you could prove me wrong you would.

What do you expect from the independent to be fair. They've been forced to apologize to Sinn Fein multiple times for fake news against them including remarkable claims in a few articles that Sinn Fein had organised a campaign of bullying and intimidation against RTE.

State broadcaster RTÉ came in for severe criticism as it slashed Sinn Féin’s election coverage following a poll in the Sunday Business Post on 14 February during the 2016 election which showed the party gaining ground.

RTÉ claimed its constant attacks and questioning of Sinn Féin over its stance on the Special Criminal Court amounted to an unfair advantage – to Sinn Féin! And for two days the voices of Sinn Féin candidates were banned from the airways in a bizarre episode of state censorship of the one of the top political parties in Ireland.

During the 2020 election RTE tried to ban Sinn Fein from the leaders debate but after threats of legal action from Sinn Fein and outrage nationwide RTE changed their mind the day before the debate and allowed them to appear on it.

That's some technicality you've got there. "They didn't bam them they just didn't invite them".

Anyway luckily after threats of legal action from Sinn Fein and national outrage RTE they changed their minds and allowed Sinn Fein to appear in the leaders debate.

'Ordinary decent people' should have said that or made that a caveat when they signed up to exhorting and encouraging these people into democratic politics.

That they didn't and now try to introduce it, is hypocrisy and freaky attempts at controlling.

Who encouraged and exhorted people who did what Lowry and Fingleton did to get involved in politics? No comparison tbh.

I see you have taken a leaf from the Francie Brady school of misrepresentation handbook.

I never mentioned Sinn Fein TDs, I mentioned those who might be appointed as advisors.