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Euphoria (2019) [HBO] [** Spoilers **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,871 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    Latest episode was outstanding and that opening scene with the family was a brutally realistic depiction of addiction. Zendaya's performance for this episode was Emmy worthy in itself - she really is a terrific actor. Noticed she is also credited an executive producer. Talented.

    That foot chase montage with the police and the trail of destruction was so well executed, if a little unrealistic considering the state she was in!. Parkour skills were phenomenal.

    It's been a brilliant season so far and hope they can keep this quality up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Loved Zendaya's acting in this episode but like most drug addict characters it is hard not to hate Rue. Sydney Sweeney acting was pretty good too. Wonder where they are going with the rest of season.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Ximena Uneven Bicyclist


    I’m exhausted after that episode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭sammyjo90


    I thought it was a bit ominous when the drug dealer said that as a woman you will always have something people will want...was thinking she was going to keep her drugged up and make her turn tricks to pay her back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Ya think this was her plan for Rue !! Lucky to escape.


    Loved the (possible) ending to Cal's story too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Am I the only one getting sick of the drug addict cycle? Like yeah it may be somewhat accurate (hyper-stylised elements of the show aside), but it’s getting extremely repetitive. This isn’t what I would call an “enjoyable” show to watch.

    I think Sam Levinson is spreading himself too thin- he’s written and directed every episode of the season so far. Some characters have been given absolutely nothing to do- like Kat- and the storylines are all over the place and not particularly interesting.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    My feeling about Euphoria has always been that he's trying to tell his own story through Rue, but he's had to put her into a world with other people to do it, but he's not anywhere near as invested in anyone else as he is in Rue. Which is understandable, but also maybe where more collaboration would have helped.

    It probably is an extremely realistic portrayal of addiction, and for me that's fine, because I'm invested in Rue as a person, and she is what I understood the show to be about when I started S1, so I'm fine with the cycle. But it's understandable that anyone watching it for an ensemble show about messy teens, or prefer other characters to Rue, aren't going to be "enjoying" it as much.


    I'm also on the fence about Levinson in general. I watched his film Assassination Nation a while back and I dunno, there's just something off-putting about a middle aged man telling so many stories through teenage girls?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,533 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    One of the most harrowing episodes of anything I have ever seen. If Zendaya doesn't sweep up the awards, it'll be a farce- her performance in the opening scene was the best I have seen on film or television. Found myself welling up at the emotional tone of it all,especially at the flashback to her at her dad's funeral/as a toddler.

    Yes it was a bit unrealistic that a limping, withdrawing slip of a one could evade everyone so easily, but it was gripping television. I was convinced she was fooked after taking the morphine.

    Some perverse humour too with Cassie and Lexi's mother, and the little dogs snapping at Rue's ankles during her escape bid.

    I do understand that addicts can be unlikeable by their actions, but I would be in Rue's camp more than Jules. She is hardly more holier than Rue and slept with the other lad in the previous episode sure.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Caught up on the most recent 2 eps there and they were a marked improvement on what came before.


    Not sure if it was meant to be funny or not but everything in ep6 with Cassie, Lexi and their mother was hilarious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭scrumqueen


    Started watching this week. 4 episodes in already, love the music and the character development. Had an 8.4 on IMDB that lured me in, I know I still check it to see if i will give anything a lash! 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Last two episodes have been very good. Nate is definitely keeping things interesting with his psychotic actions. Not sure what the deal is with Maddy and the woman she is babysitting for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    Its a very real look at what the modern young person is dealing with, its almost frightening , Zendaya is superb a good actress.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Is it though? Don't get me wrong, I like the show, but how much does it really relate to modern day 17/18 year olds?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I was wondering about her too. She's played by Minka Kelly, who used to be on Friday Night Lights. She's not exactly a huge star but for the two scenes she's been in so far I think they probably could have saved some money by casting a random actress. So I assume there's something more to come from that storyline.

    I really loved the scenes between Nate and his mother this week. He really seemed to think his dad was his only problem and his mother was like, dude, we all hate you, you're a terrible person 😂 I don't feel sorry for him at all but it's interesting to see how his own family interact with him. I'm still waiting to find out what happened to that third child from the family photo too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    Id say the drug taking may not be as bad in Ireland but in the states id say its faily bad as its more accessable NO?

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I think Euphoria takes everything to extremes. All the issues they deal with are real things that real teens are living with, but Levinson turns the dial way up on them all. I think it's an interesting way of framing Rue's problems which seem almost mundane in comparison, and yet her character is the most grounded in reality, and she's more relatable than any of the rest of them, I think.

    If you've seen his film Assassination Nation, it does the same thing. I think the premise is basically that someone's phone gets hacked and pictures get posted on the internet, resulting in some big secrets getting out around this small town. The way it plays out after that is the most extreme option for every resulting problem and reaction. It's not unbelievable in what happens but its constantly pushing things to the most extreme point while still being plausible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    its a good program to watch for parents, to see the extreme. therefore they can look for the signs in their children maybe maybe not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Hopefully she is not going to take advantage of Maddy. it seemed weird swimming with your babysitter. There is enough irresponsible adults in this show. Also I would say the storyline related to have a teenager with addiction problem seems realistic.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Yeah, the first scene she had with Maddie she was a bit touchy with her, definitely gave me weird vibes.

    I remember from S1 Maddie had a thing about getting rich and living comfortably with minimal effort, so maybe she's going to do something stupid there. The way she's been trying on her clothes and jewelry and what not. There's only a few episodes left this season so maybe they're setting something up for S3? 4 eps doesn't feel like enough time to do something worthwhile there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭weemcd


    I'm pretty sure they were showing us that when Maddie was trying on the clothes she was being recorded without her knowledge, looked like an alarm clock that had a camera? They brought up Jules being recorded without her knowledge in this episode, I doubt that's a coincidence. I imagine Maddie will have the footage used against her somehow?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I forgot about the alarm click, I do remember that scene where it zoomed in on it for no apparent reason. Wasn't there a storyline in S1 with Kat and one of the guys who was paying her for whatever it was she was doing on camera. I wonder if they're circling back to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭GottaGetGatt


    Las Two episodes have been superb from Zendaya.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I see lots of people speculating that Ashtray is the missing kid from the Jacobson family portrait. Can't see a family like that just being down one kid all of a sudden and nobody asking questions 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭sammyjo90


    So like some junkie kidnapped him and left him with nana until she could pay her?

    Don't buy it 🤣



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I just assumed people thought Nate's mother was using and left him, which makes zero sense. The kidnapped by a junkie theory makes slightly more sense 😄

    I thought Nate was the smallest child in the family photo though, so I thought the missing kid was the oldest or middle child.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    I'm confused with what they've done with Kat this season. After becoming a bit of a bitch last year before being brought back down to Earth by Maddy, they've seemingly set out to destroy her character this year? What a completely bizarre attempted breakup with Ethan.

    They've also seemingly forgotten about Nate's apparent sexuality confusion? All the dick pics on his phone were never explained.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Apart from Rue's story I feel like nothing has really been continued from S1.

    I saw some rumours that the actress who plays Kat has some disagreements with Sam Levinson about her storylines this season, which resulted in him cutting lots of her scenes. I don't know if that's true, but she's definitely had barley any screen time this season. And yeah, her break up scene was bizarre. It was funny, but made zero sense for the character. And wasn't there a thread of her camera girl storyline left hanging from S1 too? Like someone was watching her, or someone who knew her was watching? I can't remember but there was definitely something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    Not sure of how true it is but apparently she had a massive falling out with Sam Levinson about her characters upcoming storyline (eating disorder) and didn't want to go down that route. Might explain why she seems to be sidelined.

    I did think her scene earlier in the season with the social media influencers and their toxic positivity messages was excellently done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,182 ✭✭✭✭sammyjo90


    Yeah she wasnt at the premiere either so there is probably something to those rumours. Would explain the lack of story for her anyway.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    This week's episode was a lot of fun. Lexi's play wasn't anywhere near as scandalous as people were expecting, but it's more in keeping with her character to have it play out as it did.

    What a great final shot too. I have no idea what's been happening all season but I'm very excited for the finale next week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    I guess it's just the nature of TV drama to overplay social themes of the day. Drama is drama. Try watching the soaps sometime 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭cmac2009




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Oh I know that's Euphoria's whole thing, go big or go home, but a lot of this season felt like filler. It's slightly annoying that Levinson put so many more interesting things into Lexi's play than he put into the actual series. But again that's Euphoria for you.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I dunno, looked a bit too obvious in the promo. Maybe it's AshTray that gets killed, or they both just get arrested? I'm pretty sure Fez was supposed to die in S1, so Levinson had no long term plans for the character, which means it wouldn't be surprising if he did kill him off.

    Has everyone forgotten that Rue owes a scary drug dealer $10k?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Ximena Uneven Bicyclist


    Loved that episode! I needed it after the last few exhausting ones!



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    More on the talk of there being problems between Levinson and some of the cast, Barbie Ferreira in particular.

    It's wild that Sydney Sweeny apparently said no to several nude scenes and there's still been that many this season. Worse too people are praising Levinson for not forcing them to do things they didn't want.

    Weird story too that apparently the actress who plays Faye was cast after she played Jules in a porn parody of Euphoria. Just some very questionable stories surrounding this whole season.




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    The opening of episode 8 with Cassie going off was hysterical 🤣



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Ximena Uneven Bicyclist


    god I loved the finale…found this season hard to watch in places but it was excellent



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Yeah great season. Probably not a good idea to be caught holding a knife at a crime scene! It's unfortunate if it's true that the Show runner is a creep as really want to know what happens next



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    The whole point was to be caught holding the knife.

    It was renewed for S3 so HBO obviously don't care if he is or isn't. I don't think it would do any harm to being someone else in anyway, even if it was to work with him. S2 was extremely messy and unfocused. The last 2 eps were good but Rue's story aside it felt like a lot of this season was just random scenes made up 5 minutes before they shot. Minka Kelly, who played Maddy's boss even said that her character had no description when Levinson approached her to be on the show, and her scene in the pool with Maddy was written and given to them at the last minute, she and Alexa Demie had to learn it all while they were setting up the shot.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    That song by Elliot was... long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I'm a bit confused of what evidence Nate gave the police. He gave the recording to Jules and told her no one else had a copy so thought that was the only underage person Cal had taped sex with. I think the season was a bit of all over the place.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Yeah, I'm not sure what he had done that was arrest worthy either. Unless Nate lied to Jules, which wouldn't surprise me. I'm not sure what is or isn't a crime in the US, or even state by state. Was he soliciting sex? I think he was just using a hook up app. Or maybe it was filming it all without anyone's consent? I'm sure it was only last week that the voice-over said Nate wasn't bothered about protecting his dad anymore, but did want to protect the business which would be his 🤷‍♀️

    I agree, this season was very messy. I see lots of people mad that they have to wait until 2024 for answers. But there's stuff from S1 that never got answered in S2. I don't think he has answers to a lot of it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Didn't really enjoy the finale tbh. Thought the second series had its moments but overall it was just a bit of a mess. Disappointing that certain storylines were just forgotten about and not clarified further.

    Also, Laurie seems pretty sound for a drug dealer. Let Rue off with squandering thousands of dollars worth of drugs and also seemed to take Rue's escape from her house pretty well. Well I guess that must be what happened because the story was never picked up on again.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I assumed the police picked up on Faye very specifically naming Laurie as a big time dealer and arrested her after they were finished at Fez's. Some time passed between Rue escaping and the last episode though, so why she didn't show up at some point in there, I don't know.


    I still think Rue's story is the most grounded and has the most time and effort put into telling it, but that whole suitcase/Laurie detour this season was a big miss for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy



    I think Cal used to record his 'encounters'. My guess that Jules would not have been the only school going age person involved. Just my guess.


    The season was a bit messy, but enjoyed it overall. Could be a long time till the next season due to actors/actresses other commitments. Maybe time to have a more coherent story line in place



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    They had extra time to write S2 because covid shut everything down before they'd filmed any of it. Levinson apparently scrapped most of what he had planned and rewrote a lot of it during the shutdown, along with the special episodes. I'm not sure time does him any favours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think Cal when Nate sent in a wild goose chase to get the recording back he said to Fez that he didnt realise Jules was underage. He was probably just lying I suppose but in his encounter with Jules She lied about her age.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Just reading an interview with the kid who plays Ashtray and he said that Fez was supposed to be the one shot at the end of S2, and it was only changed to be him the day before they filmed it. Which means 2 seasons in a row they changed the ending for Fez. I assume he'll be in jail in S3 so it doesn't really matter, but it's just makes you wonder how much Levinson actually plans anything.



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