United Ireland Poll - please vote

Doesn't really answer the core question at all, if hypothetically the social/economic clusterf*ck that is NI was a symptom of partition rather than an unrelated separate issue, would that change your position that somehow NI should sort its own sh*t before you'd consider voting for Unification, or would you be happy to have an irreparable socioeconomic mess inherently tied to us until after the kids/grandkids you're so concerned about are but distant memories?

Are we going down the road of 'Alternative' facts Francie?

Not all opinions are equal though.

The opinion of a flat-earther is not and should not be given the same weight as a scientist who works for NASA.

My opinion is based on evidence, kind of like the scientist who works for NASA, yours is based on a hunch.

So, would you mind sharing this evidence? Or is it the 3rd secret of Fatima?

To repeat, this is your statement

You have offered nothing as evidence to that claim even when asked repeatedly.. in fact, you blankly stated that you have no onus to back up your claim.

What a wonderful world we live in, that people make claims yet don't have to provide an iota of evidence to back them up.

The moon is made of cheese after all.

That is not evidence, that is just a monologue.

Hard evidence please Francie.... :)

You missed my point.

There was decades in this country where people wore the green jersey and banged their chest when it came to their Irishness and Republican credentials. Thankfully a lot of that is gone now, but I fear a new generation led by SF and their cult will bring us down that rabbit hole where we are happy to let our children and grandchildren be poor, all in the name of a UI.

Nothing to do with the blueshirts mind.

If you honestly think things cannot get worse under a UI, then there is no point debating with you, as you dont live in reality.

Ireland is not the hell hole you make it out to be Brucie.

Haven't seen you produce a single piece of evidence.

Rabbiting on about there being evidence that the moon is made of cheese is not the same thing as actually tasting it.

Plenty of hard evidence is there and has been produced to show that Fine Gael have consistently been more socially progressive than Fianna Fail on issues as wide-ranging as contraception, divorce, abortion, women's rights, same-sex marriage etc. All of that hard evidence contradicts your speculative uninformed opinion.

Look at the last 40 years. All progressive social change was led by Fine Gael and Labour while Fianna Fail dragged their heels, Sinn Fein spent their time in support of criminal murdering thugs and the Greens focussed on climate change priorities. Of the latter three, only the Greens can be excused.

FG love creating fantasies of themselves as crusaders, but in reality mostly responded to progression elsewhere and public pressure.

The SSM being the most recent example.

Urban FG may be more progressive than FF but they are on a par rurally, I would suggest rural FG is more conservative than FF. They certainly are here on the border.

Afraid to just legislate and be done with it they let the Citizens Assembly make the headway first rather than cause any ructions in the party, which there would have been outside the urban areas.

I actually remember the likes of O. J. Flanagan, Alice Glenn and Tom O'Donnell blanch.

I would suggest the dalliance with fascism (Blueshirts) stemmed from that innate right wing conservatism, the Irish Tory's nickname doesn't exist for nothing either and need I mention the 'crusaders' in YFG :).

We are miles off topic, I will leave it there, have at the fantasy if you wish.

So O. J. Flanagan, Alice Glenn and Tom O'Donnell etc were figments of my imagination?

YFG are just a nasty Oliver Callan sketch?

The Blueshirts are just a nasty plot to discredit FG?

😁😁

Can't resist as you go on a round of vainglorious celebration. 😁

'Dinosaurs, sidelined' you say?

Seems to me and others they are breeding yet another crop.

As I said, I couldn't resist in the face of the victory parade and taunting. I'm only human. 😉

Well the mess up there is absolutely in part due to partition among multiple other factors so again your question makes no sense and is trying to massively simplify it for no reason I can discern.

Another monologue.

Monologues != evidence

Please provide evidence of the following.

Thanks,

Mark

But using your analogy taking your hand off the stove doesn't make the problem go away either. Basically partition is a cause of the issues but due to the century of bad blood a UI isn't going to magically cure the problem it will just in unionists eyes disenfranchise them to the same extent republicans feel disenfranchised now and all the good will on the world coming from Dublin isnt going to change that because you cant change their minds that we are and always will be the enemy much like London is to republicans.

Back to your analogy once the hand is removed from the stove there would be endless arguments about which burn treatment is best and until both sides agreed on the treatment nothing would be done to fix it because the two people arguing over this have never learned how to work together.