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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Or people who've owned Corollas for decades and have no choice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hahahaha, cause we re all rational and informed purchasers!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There is another aspect to this that has been building for some time. Poor returns, roadblocks and demonisation of investment in Western fuel suppliers have a cumulative effect with current circumstances which could see $100+ oil sooner than later. The long term consequence of breaking these companies is their assets eventually get bought up by Chinese and Russian oil & gas companies and we still need those hydrocarbons. Since Germany has been pursuing it's EnergieWende, Gazprom’s market share in Europe has increased from 25% to 40%. If you believe batteries are going to provide answers well they all come from South East Asia. Unsurprisingly Chinese companies have been buying up the Lithium projects. The supply issues will be resolved in the short term by demand destruction and instead of the coal phase ‘down’ widely discussed at COP26, demand for coal is growing because gas is too expensive.

    The world is running out of fuel. We are all going to pay

    Capital has been chased away from the hydrocarbon sector by the ‘divest fossil fuels’ movement, and a lot of spineless money managers have followed that path. The petroleum industry is not immune from judgement either; poor returns have eliminated investor enthusiasm for growth stories. Either route spells less supply on the market, at the same time that US and global demand hits new records for oil and natural gas.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    They've stopped importing diesel models of certain cars some with huge brand loyalty, so someone who's owned a Toyota Corolla of some variety since a DX in 1984 is going to trade their 17/18 1.4d Auris/Corolla for a new hybrid one, 25year old tech, no worries about chargers or range .natural progression rather ID betamax from VW



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,893 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Plus the auto box suits a lot of older drivers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Absolutely ridiculous but if you feel so strong about this noble case do so voluntarily.

    Why should I be happy with paying multiple times more than other people who pollute multiple times more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Apart from Drax (converted to "biomass" - or wood to you and me) does the UK actually have any coal-fired capacity left?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Here is one of the illusions being promulgated about random energy - the sun shines somewhere else or the wind blows somewhere else the government should just build a supergrid using long transmission lines to allow enough transfer of electricity between locations to mostly offset random generation.

    The variability of wind power is another old chestnut, one that ignores the simplest of physics: the biggest the catchment area for wind the lower the variability of power output. In fact, this is the very basis of the European Offshore Supergrid which my company is promoting at present by way of a 10mw demonstration project to be based in the North Sea. It is a fact of nature that the wind is always blowing somewhere; the engineer's task is to capture it. Our supergrid will do precisely that.


    EDDIE O'CONNOR, Chief Executive, Airtricity

    Oct 18, 2006

    source

    That illusion got destroyed by reality in 2021. The Germans have a word for it 'Dunkelflaut' or in English dark doldrums. The lack of wind generation across Europe in 2021 was a major contributing factor to our electricity bills this Winter. (even China had a lack of wind) It does not matter how many operational turbines exist, when there is no wind, there is no generation and this happens on a large scale at once across Europe. The other problem with the Supergrid as Norwegian consumers found out is the price of their cheap hydro power generated electricity got bid up by the Germans (and soon the Brits) due to the nature of random energy generation.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Very little these days. CCGT is combined cycle gas turbine. You can see an example that occurred during the Glasgow COP26 of the pricing instability random energy creates.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Unfortunately, a recent bill put forward by the Greens to ban LNG is completely naff. Ireland needs an LNG plant full stop fact. The NIMBY folks are so far removed from reality they do need to see how disingenuous their mindset is. Gas without a safe supply will go crackers in cost in 5-10 years with no LNG supply.

    PS I am not in the mood for the 'but what about the environment debate'

    Dan.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    This comment best sums up the whole sorry mess.

    Definitly needs to be stickied.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I reckon the single biggest demonstration by the greens of how exactly they don't give a fuq for people in this country is their gloating over the shutting down of all future new gas exploration anywhere in Ireland and its territorial waters.

    Green Party Climate Action Spokesperson Brian Leddin TD has welcomed the move to introduce legislation to ban licences for new oil and natural gas exploration. The move to end new licences for oil and gas exploration has been a Green Party policy for many years and was a key commitment in the Programme for Government.


    And this despite Ireland now being hugely dependent on imported gas for propping up the **** show that is renewable energy generation.

    https://www.greenparty.ie/green-party-welcomes-immediate-ban-on-new-oil-and-natural-gas-exploration/

    Meanwhile in Norway

    The Norwegian Ministry of Petroleum and Energy has offered production licences to 28 companies for further exploration activity on the Norwegian continental shelf

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/norway-offers-offshore-licences-to-28-oil-gas-firms-amid-great-interest/



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,543 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Hopefully they will be destroyed in the next election but the damage has already been done at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,843 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's the same thing we do as usual in this country... virtue-signalling nonsense regardless of how little sense it makes in the real world.

    Taxing everyone to the hilt and trying to force them to live like peasants who own nothing, and/or trying to be made feel guilty for not wanting to work for no reward - and all for nothing more than "de feelz" while the likes of China, India and elsewhere do whatever they like.

    "But, but.. we signed up to it/the EU requires it" - so what?? We saw during the Financial Crisis that the EU's "rules" can be bent, ignored or just torn up overnight if the right political pressure is brought to bear!

    Sick of it at this stage. We really need to grow up as a country and get over this national inferiority complex that needs constant validation and attaboys from our "betters"



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭buried


    Irish people need to wake up to the fact that the "Green Party" takes its ultimate manifesto from its international headquarters based in the offices of Alliance 90/Greens, which are to be found in Berlin, Germany. Y'know, the biggest geo-political force in the EU. The same country that is exporting German peat by the tankerload, while our own country is being forced to shut down our own peat production.

    This is what is going on. You think Eamon Ryan is sitting up all night writing up the quasi scientific agenda's and manifesto for his Irish political party? Himself, along with every other green leader, they do what they are ultimately told, from Berlin and Alliance 90.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Absolutely, its the same for the other parties in Ireland. PBP get their direction from the Chinese Communist party in the same way that FG get their direction from the Tories in the UK.

    Some would say that I just made that up in the same way you made up everything in your post



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭buried


    Well yeah, you did but I didn't. Go look at what I "made up", and look it up good too while you are at it, and come back to me instead of swiping some lame attempt of a petty dig in order to pathetically ridicule the valid and legitimate point I made.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Fine if they live in the city in an an apartment and have access to street/home charging and or mainly clock up city miles. Otherwise there being sold a greenwash pup 🐶.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,893 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The Corolla's don't plug in to chargers at all.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You made the assertion, by all means, provide some evidence. Happy to review

    Note, you made the claim that "the "Green Party" takes its ultimate manifesto from its international headquarters based in the offices of Alliance 90/Greens" so thats what you should be able to provide some evidence for.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭buried


    Well okay DaCor, if it concerns you enough I can tell you in two minutes what you could look up yourself in the space of two seconds. The Irish 'Green Party' is ultimately aligned politically and ideologically to the European EFA, The European Green Party and the Global Green coalition. These groups, in total, come from the most powerful and most successful 'Green' party in the 30 years of their collective existence - Alliance 90/Greens, The most powerful German green party which de-facto makes it most powerful 'Green' political party on the planet. Alliance 90 sets the agenda for the other parties within the 'Global Green' coalition to follow. This is no secret. Alliance 90 make no bones about it on their federal or state sanctioned electoral manifesto's, which you can look up for yourself. This is what they, the Alliance 90 claim, and the Irish 'Green Party' make no claims that their manifesto or agenda is the sole work of Eamon Ryan or anybody else based in Ireland, so who are we to believe? You? With your naive assertion that Alliance 90 have literally nothing to do with 'Global Green' policy? Just because it obviously doesn't suit your naive attitude to what is happening within our own nation?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Toyota is self charging, Old Prius running gear as far as I know.Most of the buyers have no interest in whether its green, greenwashed or Deep Purple, its the newer version of what they've had before, the actual number of people who care about this stuff is tiny



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    With your naive assertion that Alliance 90 have literally nothing to do with 'Global Green' policy? 

    I made no such assertion.

    As for the rest of your post, none of it qualifies as evidence. Got any to back up your original statement? Or do you want to just concede that you made it all up?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I know what self charging Hybrids are. “most people don’t care” Tesla, Ford, VW/Audi, Mercedes, Toyota/Lexus, Volvo even the Deloren brand etc are all at nothing are they. Thankfully the rest of the world aren’t as close minded as you seem to be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭buried


    You did make the assertion. You asserted that the most powerful policy makers of a set political agenda have no say in how their sub members in other non powerful geo-political nations or divisions set their own exact same political agenda's. Now, unless you are completely naive, or maybe 5 years old or something to that effect, I don't know what to say to you, because you clearly are unaware how the actual 'global' political agenda reality works. You can also look up Alliance 90's federal and state propaganda leaflets, would take you also two seconds, where they lay claim to being the global powerhouse behind the 'Worldwide Green' political platform? There is a whole litany of evidence there for you to see what is going on DaCor, but you clearly won't or don't want to see. But don't worry bud, Eamon Ryan will sort it out for you and me regardless anyways.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Ya blame the smallest party in government classic Ireland, Role on the Sinn Fein band wagon, Mary Lou will be heard saying beep beep and vroom vroom whilst her lets just say comrades will be at the wheel.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭buried


    What evidence would suit you? Do you want me to get Ricarda Lang up in here to literally tell you on a zoom call what is in her own political parties manifestos and agenda's that you can literally check out for yourself? Do you want me to wipe your own ar$e to go with it?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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