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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i only charge once or twice a week, personally the only tethered charger i could look at is the andersen and it cost a fortune so got an eo untethered and dont regret it



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Just to give people an idea on payments.

    we lodged payment request for my father in law on 16th December. Got email today, 18th Feb confirming payment has been made by EFT.



  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    Yes I went untethered and regret it. I now find I'm leaving my type 2 cable plugged in all the time so it's like a tethered. It fine mostly cos it most short runs and my commute where I don't need to charge but my fear is now that I'll be caught short somewhere with my type 2 cable at home instead of in my boot where it should be left!

    Think it was an extra 50 quid for tethered but now ill have to fork out 200 if I buy a separate type 2 cable to leave plugged in



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Buy the Type 2 cable on the Tesla website for €99. It’s a 32a 3 phase cable so is future proof too.


    https://shop.tesla.com/en_ie/product/type-2-adapter---32a


    Leave one in your car. Sorted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    Thanks. Is that a regular type 2 cable that will work with any type 2 charger? I've a Peugeot E2008 so just want to be sure it will work with that before spending €99



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yes. I also gave a lend to a fellow boardsie to test on his Tuscan PHEV to relieve his fears about ordering one.

    Any type 2 will work with any type 2 car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    Thats great gumbo...thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    Every day or every 2nd day depening on trips planned for next day. Only have the ev 3 weeks but I also have solar pv so in another few weeks I expect to have excess power to dump into the ev so will be plugging in any time the car returns home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Ah fair enough if I was plugging in every day I'd prefer tethered too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭regedit


    Hoping to get delivery of an Enyaq by mid/late April so wondering how soon should I arrange installation of a charging point?

    Is there an easy sticky post explaining the process (struggling with new interface and the search option0. I reckon we need to pay for the unit and installation ourselves and then apply for the grant!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Exact opposite, you must apply and be approved prior to the installation. Approval lasts 6 months.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Do you have a smart charge that takes excess?

    what size PV array do you have?



  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    Yes I have a zappi with the hub etc. 6.2kw array.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Perfect set up.

    just remember to set it to eco and plug the car in 😀

    I have a 4.7kw array but would have little excess as I have battery storage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭regedit


    Has anyone installed an Andresen A2 recently? What company did you go with and how much can you expect to pay for it after the SEAI grant?

    I like how you can hide the cable within the box and the fact that you can chose different colours



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion



    Recently installed. Cost roughly 2400. So 1800 net of grant. There really is only one ground currently installing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    2400 for a charger! I have some magic beans you might be interested in



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Tad bit insulting there, speaks to your character tbh you feel the need to make such a comment. They're all glorified plugs at the end of the day, how much should it cost? There is a Brexit premium at play.

    I like it and appreciate the design aspects of it. I'm sure in years to come it will be a feature of the property and should we ever sell up I won't be out of pocket. It's a luxury item.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭regedit


    Looks really nice and I love the way it integrates well with the façade of the house though selection of different fascia's.

    I was hoping the cost would be roughly 1000 euro on top of the grant but as you say above, they are a UK based company plus the number of installers probably low enough. Cost in the UK (without installation but including VAT) is 1100 pounds so the markup is huge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    If you want a tethered charger that.doesnt have to be hidden away it's the only show in town really if aesthetics are important to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Backhanded insults speak to a person's character too.

    That price is frankly ridiculous and if you're willing to pay that for a fairly basic charger with just a nice fascia then it deserves to be questioned.

    Far cheaper to get another charger and put a box over it. Not limited to their design choices then either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,679 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    You’d get a good carpenter/ steelworks etc to make a lovely unit for less then 1200 that could cover any other charger.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    What are you doing buying copper, rather than smelting it in your own forge, only a fool would going with store bought copper. Anyway, your implication that the purchase was foolish and gullible, it was neither. I spent a massive amount of time researching what charger to get and comparing the pros and cons.Technology wise it's far from basic. you should have a think about why you feel the need to put down other people's purchasing decisions. Show us your charger if you feel so confident.

    They where cheaper here before Brexit. The firm I was dealing with basically had to have a full time member of staff managing the import process now and that has to be paid for. It's become really challenging for small business to import from the UK with many just stopping their offering. Prior to Brexit there was 3 companies in the Dublin area offering Andersen installations, but now there really is just one doing residential and frankly they nudge slightly towards EU sources chargers. Not sure the Mark up is all that great at the end of the day. They probably have better margins on a Zappi or hypervolt.

    The deciding factor for us was some of the installations around the neighborhood. From super weird deal extreme chargers to shite job KN installs with ducting everywhere. I felt it would annoy me everyday and deminish the enjoyment of my home to have a mess at the front door. I wanted something that added to the house, not take away from it if that makes sense. When 1200 euro can get you a shite job, 2400 didn't seem that much of a stretch.

    I think that figure is a bit off based on what I've seen advertised for some gun metal pipe shelves. Is this a realistic option for people, to source a steelworks? You're paying for the design, Maybe you can reproduce something similar yourselve, but that's not an option.

    Also spending a few days sourcing and managing trades people, is not free either. Grand if diy is a hobby and you get the craic from it, for me it's just work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    maybe you could, have no idea but personally id just buy the andersen, you would hardly save that much and it would be more hassle.

    personally i was happy with untethered and our eo mini is hidden behind a down pipe but i can understand the appeal of the Anderesen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    why does what someone else, who is obviously well informed in what they are buying and what the alternatives are, deserved to be questioned on how they spend their money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    This isn't an echo chamber, it's a discussion forum. If he can't handle people disagreeing with his choices then why bother posting? As to why I'm questioning it? Simple really, as I've already stated, €2400 for an EV charger is ridiculous. There's no malice or ill intent behind that statement, absolutely no reason to get offended.

    I've had 5 installs now, all of which were fully covered by the grant. That's the way it should be. Prices have sky rocketed in the last few years, both from manufacturers and installers. That wouldn't be happening unless people were willing to pay those prices. Prices should have remained steady with inflation being offset with economies of scale. But no, we now have people thinking €2400 is fine. That's mad Ted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Photos or it didn't happen. If they're anything more than an outdoor socket wrapped in duct tape, spray painted neon green, sitting in a puddle of water, expect to be called a rube. Maybe you wouldn't need five installations if you got the job done right the first time?

    Anyway, I was providing requested helpful information to another poster to help them in their purchasing decision. You can have all the opinions you want about the value of that, etc, and you're free to share, but you crossed into character commentary. Comments like yours that attack the character of others makes people not want to share their experiences. It's one of the reasons people don't talk about how much things cost them in public which only helps drive prices up.

    Over on the EV6 thread a poster quoted a price 2K more than what I paid. I didn't respond with "I'll sell you some magic beans you bumbling idiot, you imbecile of a person" as that wouldn't have been a nice or helpful comment, instead I told them they where being overcharged and advised them where they could get a better deal. You see how one type of response is about your own ego and bigging yourself up at the expense of another while the other is about being helpful?

    Frankly, I got a lot of help and support in this thread and this forum for my purchasing decision, advice is generally offered freely without judgement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭ustari


    Can apply the same logic you have to absolutely anything.

    Why would you pay 1000 for an iPhone when a 150 Android phone does the same thing?

    Why would you pay 100k for a car when a 25k car does the same thing?

    I think the Anderson looks great, would have been my preference for the aesthetics but didn't want to pay the premium. Can't have it both ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    Things have both a value and a price. Value is subjective, many of us will pay more for something because it has a value to us other than its basic utility. The Andersen looks slick and that’s worth something. If my charger was more visible then maybe I’d have considered it too.

    Sure why buy a Porsche when a Dacia will get you from A to B.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Eircom_Sucks


    Thanks Gumbo for the Type 2 cable ( its been a god send ) havnt used any petrol since Thur and only spent €3.80 in tesco carpark to charge , rest in lidl carpark for free so been amazing , have ordered my own cable , and have a qualified electrician who will install a charger

    question is which one to get , i don't want anything fancy just 7kw 32amp simple one will do me

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07WW6ZWVN/ref=twister_B08D6T81ZD?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 any thoughts on this ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Says it requires an earthing rod to be installed. Might represent additional costs. No load balancing, which might be fine depending on your usage. Also says you need to leave the car unlocked to charge, that can't be right surely? Makes it kind of useless if true in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,679 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    As we use TN-C-S system in Ireland all houses should have an earth rod.



    it says unlocked to start charge and then you lock it.

    “5. Lock your car and leave to charge. (Also locks the cable if car supports)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Don’t need an earth rod in Ireland.

    Also, the unit itself has a dial which you can set to 6a, 12a, 16a and 32a.

    Load balancing is only required if you have other high draw items, for example, I don’t have a priority switch either as I have no other high draw applicants (showers, A2W etc).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    How does it work in the UK? Are earthing rods not used there ?

    Ah right, so that means you cannot use a scheduled charge, even if the car supports it?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    You can use schedules charge. Your car controls that.

    no idea about keeping the car unlocked. That must be a mistake. I tested my fathers on the 530e, i3 and Tesla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,679 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    It means that if the car is not charging when plugged in. It maybe because the car has a schedule blocking it

    Post edited by ted1 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭higster


    Know there is info in here re SEAI grant but I'm struggling with search function. Straightforward enough question, how long after send in details of instal will the €600 hit the bank account and do they send email acknowledging that they got the details (I sent it this time last week and have heard nothing). Thanks



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    About 8 weeks.

    Youll get an email to confirm receipt of the documents and that it is under review.

    Then you’ll get an email confirming payment has been made by EFT.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    That's worrying, I sent mine in about 2 weeks ago but have not received an email receipt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭rob808


    My EV charger get done today but i have no earthing rod so gona cost me a extra €150 on top of the install.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Give them a call. The SEAI are very easy to reach. If anything, just to confirm they have received your docs.

    Did you post them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 lblaney


    Hi..we have EO mini pro 2 podiums in black available in stock...we are based in Dublin



  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    I rang them today as I had sent mine on Feb 4th and had heard nothing. They told me they were up to about 7th Feb in processing but hadn't received. I had kept a copy of everything thankfully and the girl said I could email the copies in and she would get them processed. So I sent them off this afternoon. Hopefully goes smooth from here.



  • Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FYI you're coming across as a condescending prick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Can I interest you in some beans?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,432 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    This is the weirdest argument/oneupmanship I've seen on Boards and that takes some doing.


    Relax lads, they're only chargers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Funny thing is, they're not even chargers 😃.

    I'm actually surprised Manion didn't get attacked for not having an unsightly isolator switch visible in his install pic. That seems to be a recurring hobbyhorse too.

    There's no doubt some companies are gouging with installs, when EVs/grants are mentioned. As always, advice is to shop around if you want value.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Ah sure that happened earlier. I will say a neighbor got a hypervolt which looks quiet well as well.



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