Housing Madness

Still you can define the values you are talking about. It is your claim back it up

There are many reasons not to do up a property and to claim people not selling means they are comfortable/rich is your claim. It is your claim not true and you won't back up the claim because you haven't actually thought about it enough. Repeating yourself doesn't make it any more true

Anytime the state try to get involved indirectly with private housing all they do is drive prices even further up. In the long run it's cheaper and more sustainable for the Local Authority to buy the A rated brand new houses rather than a run down 30-40 year old house needing 100k put into it to bring it up to any kind of decent habitable standards. It's cheaper for the tax payer as a whole to house low income and social welfare recipients in the new houses as perverse as that might sound. There is less maintenance also. That's why private buyers are also being forced out of the market and miles away from their homes to buy at best average houses. The state if you like are the biggest institutional investor / cuckoo fund.

The social contract between us who pay the majority of tax to keep the show on the road and government who are supposed to offer us a certain standard of living in return is broke. It's in tatters currently.

It's not me who I'm concerned for, It's my 14 year old. At the moment it's the norm to try and buy a forever home to raise kids etc and be close to family. My fear is in 10 years time home ownership will only be for the extremely wealthy or extremely poor in society unless something is done pronto. Maybe that's the way it is already in fact. The days of Mam and Dad giving a dig out for a deposit will be over too.

A change of Government might not be the answer but it is needed. FFFG have had enough time now to sort this or at least alleviate the issues but their interests lie with the landlords.

serious head winds ahead for eu & irish economy with war in ukraine looming large price of absoutely everything especially energy is about to soar on top of existing price rises will make it very difficult for home buyers to continue paying nose bleed home prices here..

Europe faces sanctions nightmare of paying for Putin’s war

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-faces-sanctions-nightmare-of-paying-for-putins-war/

Easier and cheaper ways of doing it though. And it provide houses in the short term though. Modular housing would be a solution to alleviate the crisis. If landlords or the wealthy want to site on vacant properties let them. But make ti extremely difficult for them to sell in the future.

Unfortunately Ireland arbitrary planning and building standards make modular housing and inventive solutions night on impossible.

The A rated housing stock will never be provided to meet demand. There are just to many powerful lobbyists who want to keep the prices artificially high for their own gain.

The fact that there are people who pay tax on two or more properties does not mean that those properties are unoccupied or not already rented out.

Also lots of 'vacant' properties are not only unfit to live in but fit only for demolition

Liability for property tax is on the owner of a property not the tenant

https://www.revenue.ie/en/property/local-property-tax/who-is-liable-for-lpt-and-or-household-charge/are-tenants-liable.aspx

It's my opinion and I believe it to be the case. You might not be wrong about the labour party either 😉

you're suggesting FFFG are treasonous?

our housing issues will absolutely not be resolved in a single term, sf are gonna struggle to get things resolved, they may not be able to do it, theres also other options if sffg doesnt work out, we could go the way of others, and open the doors for the lulas on the far left and right!

all eligible citizens should be allowed to vote, as thats what democracy is, you hardly want an otherwise, do you!

Can we all go onto gofundme to rise money to buy a house? 😉

The narrative of the thread is very much in favour of people being able to do what they want with their multiple properties. In the country as reported by the media there is a very strong altruistic concern for the Homeless, and their plight is often described as a Crisis and an Emergency.

I only suggested that while we wait for the New Builds to ramp up, the State could offer to buy some of the vacant dwellings, and rent them out as social housing. They are going to do this with some of the New Builds anyway, but I think using existing properties would be quicker.

to be fair, it makes a lot sense if you ve figured out how to avoid old age!

The issue is that a considerable proportion of these "vacant" properties are in shite order and warrent demolition. Many other vacant properties certainly would not be fit for immediate habitation.

Thing is whilst the country is experiencing a higher level of immigration over emigration coupled with a natural increase in population then demand for housing of all types is going to exceed existing supply especially considering that many older houses no longer meet current housing or energy standards. Can some of these be upgraded? Possibly but that's not going to help provide housing in the short term.

According to the Census a big majority are in towns and villages, their "Settlements". And a majority of those not in Settlements are close by. The City areas have generally lower vacancies, but Dublin City still had 33 vacant dwellings for every 1,000 of the population.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp1hii/cp1hii/vac/#:~:text=Of%20the%20total%20245%2C460%20vacant,there%20were%204%2C572%20apartments%20(incl.

Over 10,000 vacant dwellings within 1 Km of their nearest town

There were a total of 65,931 vacant houses and apartments (excluding holiday homes) that were not located within the 873 census settlements, representing 36 per cent of the total vacant stock.

When analysing these by straight line distance to the nearest town or village, the majority (41,703) fell between a 1 and 5 km radius from the nearest settlement. There were 4,780 empty homes within a 500 metre radius, while a further 5,685 were within a distance range of between 500 metres and 1 Km.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, there were 1,494 remote vacant dwellings 10 Km or more from their nearest town or village.

Now all these empty houses have been identified maybe its time for those looking for a house to start knocking on doors and find out themselves who owns said empty dwellings and make them an offer if you are mortgage approved. Do not wait on the government to do it for you. All they can do is say no.

I keep pointing out that of 183,000 vacants, and 227,000 houses in the hands of those paying for Property Tax for two, that there has to be some scope to house some people. If there is a Crisis and an Emergency, I fail to see why this option is being dismissed.

But you need to realise, sometimes the owner cannot sell.

Vacant property is an issue but not the real issue with housing. People getting caught up in ways to either force people to do them up or make the councils buy them will not solve the vacant properties which isn't really the main concern. Two things have been conflated derelict buildings in towns and empty houses.

Carrot and stick approach are being suggested.

One side believes in increased charges/taxes should be used to make people sell or make it available to rent. It doesn't matter the reason just apply this to property

One side says you should encourage people with financial incentives. There are multiple reasons and you shouldn't force people to do the governments job.

Hard to remove my personal view but I think one is completely impractical and would be very unpopular with the people in Ireland where inheriting family land and property is part of our culture and a huge deal to people emotionally.