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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    The recognition of Kosovo is a blatant violation of international law and the territorial integrity of Serbia.

    The EU’s reaction must be immediate. A new sanctions package must be adopted.


    Oh sorry, wrong movie.😎


    Putin just used tried and tested US script on how to... Create independent countries out of nothing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭SteHam


    Are you here to discuss what's happening or are you now seeking out the tit for tat that has derailed this thread in the past, which you had called out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭circadian


    I would expect her to say nothing if there was nothing to say. The AC has a history of being factual, so there's no reason to doubt this information.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,653 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    EU saying Belarus and the cretin in charge there should face exact same sanctions for being Russia's b*tch

    They may not used that term 😀



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭circadian


    Has any foreign nation started rolling troops into Kosovo with the aim of taking control of a larger area?


    No. The answer to that, is no.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭circadian


    That'll expedite the inevitable second revolution. He got out of that by the skin of his teeth last year, I'd say there'll be even more on the streets this time around.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    I'm discussing what's happening right here and now, and asking for an interpretation of what is happening, right now, from those who told us Putin would not use military force against Ukraine. Do they still hold that view? What is the explanation for Putin seeking a decree to use military force outside of Russian territory?



  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭cheezums


    pathetic from the USA. how have they not had the big book of sanctions ready to go as soon as Putin signed those declarations last night?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    these are the words of a tyrant-

    But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine."

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Isn't it interesting to watch the sanctimonious condemnation today, the threats of sanctions etc...anyone remember the same when the US illegally massacred a million people in Iraq, or Israel suffering over Gaza etc...it seems that annexation, war and suppression of human rights by the West is fine...do as we say not as we do once more! The fact Putin is rotten is established and he is rightly condemned but the US have and do as he does with complete impunity! That is wrong no matter how much the Washington shrills here say otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Amias


    It will be interesting how this plays out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    successful=/=correct

    How can the deportation of innocent civilians be justified? Just because of their place of birth? I thought we were beyond this. I thought that we should judge a person by the content of their character rather than characteristics that they have no control over. The key to defeating tyranny is not to become tyrannical in the process, otherwise how do you sell your ideology and what is the purpose of your existence?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Profile of Putin ..from 2014

    The main point is

    'Psychologically speaking, the very worst response would be appeasement because this will simply fuel his contempt and strengthen the justification for his position. Strong consequences have to follow from his contempt for international law and treaties. This will cost the West dearly, economically speaking, but the longer-term costs of appeasement will make the costs of strong, early action appear trivial in retrospect.@ihrobertson'




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Russia has announced that it is evacuating all of its diplomats and embassy staff from Ukraine effective immediately. Indeed, sounds like a country interested in taking a diplomatic approach to solving the crisis ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Are you capable of addressing the current issue? Whatever may have happened in the Middle East does not exculpate Russia. As for massacres, I would put those down principally to Saddam Hussein, Bashir Al Assad and whatever monsters are/were in charge of ISIS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭cheezums


    not sure what media you consume, but iraq war was widely condemned by many, even before the WMD stories were proven fake. As for Israel, their actions wrt to Palestine have been widely condemned by everyone except the US. you might need some better examples if you're going down the "butwhatabout" route.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,709 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Firstly, two wrongs don't make a right. The Internet seems to have forgotten that phrase, thus every time someone does something bad, you can bet as sure as night follows day that there will be, "....butwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout???!1"

    Secondly, plenty of people recognised that what the USA was doing was wrong at the time, and what its allies in the escapade were doing was also wrong.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭circadian


    Plenty of condemnation from within the nations thatbinvaded the middle east. Same people are condenming this.


    Anyway, nice try at deflecting and derailing. Off ye go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Vladimir Putin has just claimed a whole swathe of territory that the Ukrainian army currently occupies. That's as good as a declaration of war as you're going to get. He didn't even bother with a pretext. He's just straight up invading another country for no other reason than he wants to.

    And yet, I see the "What about..." brigade are out in force.

    Jesus Christ lads, would ye give it up?

    You don't have to compare everything to America. You can just say that something is wrong.

    If you cannot admit that what Putin is doing now is wrong then there is no hope for you and you've effectively outed yourself as a useful idiot.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    So what now, the west pretend to sanction Russia while wringing their hands or will they put boots on the ground



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,196 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Zero chance of boots on the ground. They'll do a bit of hand wringing, some sanctions to appear to be doing something and then basically give Russia the green light to annex the Donbas. It's the Crimea in 2014 all over again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭jackboy


    No chance of boots. Ukraine is not a valued member of the international community, it will not be assisted. Any sanctions against Russia will be solely for the purpose of hurting Russia rather than helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    This all about oil, energy and the West insane crazy financial and social policies.

    Russia is one of the worlds biggest oil producers pumping nearly 11m barrels per day, Saudi Arabia by comparison only pumps 7m barrels. The USA is marginally ahead pumping around 12.6m barrels. Russia is the worlds number one gas producer also and has immeasurable coal and other resource reserves, they are the worlds largest country with enormous wealth. The play in Ukraine has surged energy prices so much that Russia is earning around €2-€3 billion dollars per day from sales of Oil and gas, they pump almost 1trillion cubic metres of gas per year at $2.1/ cubic metre. This has surged their exports and if the Europeans don't want it then the Chinese and Asian market will soak up the demand.

    The Ukraine is a largely artificial creation much like Northern Ireland and I don't see much of problem with reunification with the motherland, Ukraine is so corrupt that Russia looks like a haven of freedom in comparison and under the Russian flag I can see things improving rather than the pivot towards the corrupt sick EU.

    Putin is out to create wealth and bring back the days of the imperial empire and won't stop there and I can see the annexation of the baltic states before a drive into Poland and he will aim the restore the Iron Curtain, Nato are like Eunuchs and the US has the worst ever president at the helm who helped cause this to protect their own corrupt interests in Ukraine. If Trump there then there would be no war as a deal would have been done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,196 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hold your horses there a second. Let's not forget Trump tried to shakedown the Ukrainians and withhold military aid from them in exchange for dirt on his political opponent.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    They do, but they need to keep sanctions in reserves. Deploy them in stages. If there will be escalations by Moscow it will likely be done in stages.

    This first round of sanctions (from everyone) is quite tame.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭Economics101


    "The Ukraine is a largely artificial creation much like Northern Ireland and I don't see much of problem with reunification with the motherland, Ukraine is so corrupt that Russia looks like a haven of freedom in comparison and under the Russian flag I can see things improving rather than the pivot towards the corrupt sick EU."

    Jesus wept! This must win some kind of prize, but delicacy forbid me from saying what kind exactly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Once you mention that clown trump, you lose the argument.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,196 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Russian soldiers are entering into the area and the Ukrainian military hasn't done a thing.



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