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How to deal with Seetec/Jobpath

  • 22-02-2022 4:36pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 9


    I am being put under a lot of pressure by Seetec to take a job but am not in a position to for the following reasons.

    *NB I do not want to be unemployed, have never been unemployed before and intend starting a new business asap*

    Having become unemployed for the first time (due to the pandemic) I claimed Jobseekers Benefit Self-Employed (JBSE) based upon my PRSI record in December. The week after my claim was approved I had a serious accident resulting in surgery and being off my feet.

    I was going to change my claim to Illness Benefit but as a Class S (self-employed) PRSI payer I am not entitled to this payment therefore remained on JBSE as I have no other income.

    I was since contacted by a company called Seetec with a view to getting a new job. I was told I had to sign a contract with them, which I did.

    As I am not physically able to work, I started looking at online FETCH training courses and I would then be able to transfer from JBSE to a training allowance paid by FETCH.

    Unfortunately all of the online courses I had registered for were cancelled due to insufficient numbers of participants.

    *I do understand the criteria for Jobseeker's Benefit is that you are unemployed and actively seeking work and I should not be on this payment due to recovering from an injury but there is no other payment I would be able to claim*.

    As soon as physically possible, I will be signing off JBSE and starting a new business but in the meantime need a weekly payment (I am on a reduced payment due to previous low earnings).

    Does anyone know how I should approach/handle Seetec in the meantime.

    They have said I need to be applying for two jobs a week and I am fearful of my weekly payment being reduced for not meeting this demand.

    Thank you in advance for any advice/insight.



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Just to be clear , you were not obliged to sign any contract with seetac and unfortunately a lot of people wrongly assume this. But that said and Putting aside Seetac, (you can look at other threads on dealing with seetac)

    Having read your post it really is down to the severity of your accident and estimated recovery time. If it requires a short recovery period, I would do nothing, engage with Seetac but understand your under no obligation to accept any job that comes up. You are also entitled to explore additional education possibilities, Seetac won't like that as their only motivation is fee income, based on you getting a job and off a SW Payment.

    As for alternative SW payments, if your recovery time is going to take an extended period time it might be worth exploring talking to your GP If they are aware of your surgery and accident, Get a note from them and possibly explore a SWA payment, but keep in mind it's means tested and generally a transition payment if you don't qualify for anything else or perhaps whilst awaiting a decision on a long term disability payment. This would not be recommended as a short term solution.

    I'm really struggling on what to advise as your predicament is unusual and as you've stated, illness benefit is not an option, perhaps others may have better advice .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    Advise them of your situation, that you recently had this surgery and are not physically able for work on your feet. They can't force you to take on work that you can't do for medical reasons.

    While the job market is changing a bit towards favoring the job seeker, in general most applications take ages to hear back from if you hear back at all. The industries that are hiring are mostly service industry and retail jobs you need to be on your feet for.

    If they make you do applications just do them to tick the box and keep them off your back, but stress that youre not fit for anything that is standing work.

    If you're made go to any interview feel free to mention how you haven't yet fully recovered from surgery and may need special accommodations. By law the employer has to provide them if they hire you, but they never will if you disclose that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Skinnagin


    I hope to make a full recovery within the JBSE payment period, which is nine months.

    Re engaging with Seetec, there have been three calls so far. The first was an overview and providing an updated CV, the second was brief as I was on the cusp of taking up an online course(which didn't go ahead), on the third I was told I had to be applying for two jobs a week, which I have not done, and there is another Seetec call coming up next week. I'm afraid they will report me to the DSP and my payment will be cut!

    I have looked at all the DSP payments exhaustively and JBSE is the only one I am entitled to, unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm not doubting your response , I'm just concerned mentioning anything about an inability to be able to take up employment might trigger seectac reporting this , obviously its in the best interest of people to be honest but I've heard of many incidence were seetac report an inability to take up employment resultingin paymentsbeing suspended, just advisingcaution here. I just feel if it's temporary thing (recovery), just engage etc but your 100% correct on jobs, interviews etc .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Skinnagin


    By informing Seetec of my accident, would I not be breaking the criteria for JBSE for not being available for work and they will report me to DSP?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Skinnagin


    This is my thinking too Dempo1. Have you any advice on how to "engage" with Seetec in order to not be penalised?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    9 months 😳 then I think it's time to accept you'll need to talk to your GP , you can't realistically be just waiting for JBS clock to run down whilst recovering.

    Re, have to be applying for two Jobs, not sure if that's a new thing or enforceable but I can't be sure, there's only so many positions that will suit your experience , location, ability to get to positions etc. Anyone can apply for countless number of jobs, that doesn't mean they'll get them let alone get an interview.

    For the time being, Document everything, save any emails sent and SMS recieved. Seetac will be in bully mode for a while, incidently next time your talking to the person, sitting on their arse at home calling you from Seetac, advise you'll be recording calls from now on. I know of a few people who did this, calls stopped almost immediately.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I've just posted a response there, but look through this forum, loads of threads on Turas Nua and Seetac

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Skinnagin


    There is no point talking to my GP-as stated, there is no other DSP payment I could claim. So yes, the JBS clock is running down whilst recovering.

    I haven't applied for any jobs since the last call two weeks ago and there's one due next week. I'm due a call next week and concerned I'm going to be penalised for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Your situation is difficult because of your accident and recovery time , and your probably correct re SWA , I'm just stuck on options , had hoped someone with experience similar to your dilemma might be able to better advise.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Hi OP

    What you need to do is make an application for IB (even though you’re not entitled). Take a copy of the completed application to the local CWO and explain the situation. She/he will let you apply for SWA while you remain unfit for work.

    The trick with SWA is that you can only apply if you’ve an application pending on another payment (in your case, illness benefit) even if your application will be disallowed. As long as your GP keeps certifying you as unfit for work then you’ll continue to get SWA.

    The other thing with SWA is of course it’s strictly means tested. What other income is coming into your house?

    Edited to add: of course while you’re on SWA and sending in certs, you won’t be dealing with Seetec.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I knew you might have a solution 😉 I had a sense SWA via an IB application might be an idea, just wasn't entirely sure. OP in one of those sometimes impossible positions.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Skinnagin


    Thanks for the reply TooTired123.

    I've checked the means test for SWA and wouldn't qualify unfortunately.

    Do you happen to know if I disclosed my situation to Seetec (as suggested by The DayDream in post#3) would this cause a problem?



  • Registered Users Posts: 31 abe1o1o


    Really feel for you OP. Can you ring citizens advice and have a chat with them maybe ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    You want the water but you don’t want to drill the well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭wiz569


    As has been said apply for the jobs, attend interviews if possible, there's no guarantee you will be successful, and worry about it if you get offered a job, you never know it might even suit you ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    Next time they call, inform them all your calls are now recorded. If you are android, use the app Cubeacr. When they understand all conversations are recorded, they will behave reasonably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭aziz


    Sorry to jump in on this thread but could any one tell me how long after you finished a stint with turas Nua can you be asked to sign up again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    My understanding is, at any time , I came across examples were people were with Turas Nua for 12 months, had it extended and then after finishing, being put back in touch with them.

    It's not entirely clear when this Jobspath debacle ending, it's been extended numerous times despite the horrendous costs involved and little if any success.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭aziz


    Just finished a year with them last August and got a letter today for another “interview “ next week

    hoping to restart self employment in another month or so and I don’t want them trying to claim credit for it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    seems like never if you treat them like $hit ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I think your confused, it actually them that treat Jobseekers like Poo 🤔 or at least try to if let.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    no i hate them as much as anyone else

    in my experience they didn't contact me again after treating them like $hit :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,030 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭aziz


    Ah,that’s my problem

    im too nice 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Lots of people have accidents and are still available for work unless it was a serious accident. Not sure exactly how Seetec works but if you are available, and looking for a particular type of work, can you make two applications a week or are you expected to take any job? It can take a while to find the right job that suits your qualifications and experience.

    I have a friend who was made redundant a few years ago and had a very specialised skillset that was only relevant to a particular sector. Jobs in her specialist area were few and far between. She was contacted by TurasNua and she ended up sending off dozens of job applications and attending a few interviews even to companies /jobs that were not completely suitable, eg bad salaries, wrong location, unsuitable hours. She kept copies of everything, applications, emails, all replies and kept everything in a folder which she brought along to those TN meetings. AFAIR she used to email TN with regular updates as well.

    Eventually she found her own job but she said they hounded her for the first while until she produced masses of evidence that she was activley looking and applying for jobs, then it eased off a bit. The system may be different now post-covid.



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