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PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,155 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I disagree. Anyone who would lie as blatantly as that over what was a minor slap on the wrist(legally) affair is not to be trusted at all.

    The big eejit finished his career in ignominy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,121 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    But do you think the Parliament would have dismissed him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Over time, large groups of people have learnt to really dislike Phil, in reverse chronological order we have: the EC, FG and females. That's not to say he'll be indefinitely unemployed; there are still plenty of other fat b******s remaining out there.

    It's brilliant entertainment to see him having to prostrate himself so publicly. Apparently there's been steam coming out his ears for days. Go on Big Phil!! LOL.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,155 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No idea, no more than here, politicians have set up ways to protect themselves where you or I would be out on our ears.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Tell us more. So Big Phil has some judgement on his side now to say that he was allowed to travel all over the country for reasons that he couldn't quite explain at the time while we were all in strict lockdown?

    Only the golf dinner has been deemed legal.

    I don't know if they looked at the travel aspect to and from the event.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Stanley 1


    He will have to get past Bertie Ahern and Mick Lowry for that job, both of whom are looking for redemption from the Irish people and the job in the Aras would confirm their political and criminal lives, the slates wiped clean.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,121 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes, it would have been a case of morals meet realpolitik.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,414 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Newsflash - Hogan was not a defendant in the Galway court case.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭stellamere


    Purely from a legal standpoint I think he would have a reasonable chance of succeeding in an unfair dismissal case.

    If we just park our personal views of the guy (difficult I know) , he was effectively told to walk by Ursla, and she appears to have said that her decision was swayed by comments made by Leo and others.

    So was she correct in her actions? Firstly, she is being more than a bit hypocritical since she has been shown to have breached covid guidelines herself. She appears to have disregarded his explanation and did not consider his actions in the context of the Irish guidelines. Instead she went with the populist position, deciding that he brought the governments covid compliance measures into disrepute. That doesn't sound to me like she afforded him fair procedures in having him removed.

    The man comes across to me as arrogant and fancies himself as a heavy hitter, but that in itself should have no bearing on his employment. It's vital that everyone gets a fair crack of the whip and that individual's rights to fair procedures are upheld. These proceedures are afforded to people charged with murder (and rightly so) so they should apply to you, me and even big Phil.

    You just have to look at what that Canadian numpty is doing now, to see what can happen when governments start interfering with people's rights.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It doesn't matter the event has been decided as being legal. It would be nearly impossible for a party outside that case to challenge that ruling.

    It immaterial what ones personnel opinion of Big Phil as it a legal issues not a popularity contest. It's immaterial what he did as an Irish minister.

    The reality is he was forced to resign over political considerations. The case will not go to court. He will collect 1-2 million an enhanced pension and ride in to the sunset smiling.

    When you go to court you get the law not justice.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    He resigned because of the lies he told. Consistent lies over a week, effectively every time he was asked to make a statement on his whereabouts and movements he lied.

    He was found lying to his boss, Ursula von der Leyen. This isn't good, as you are supposed to have some sort of trust and faith in your team.

    What she said to him behind closed doors is only relevant of there are minutes of that meeting. Fact is that he resigned of his own accord and he gave a TV interview confirming this. If there are no minutes or recordings of a private meeting between himself and UvdL, then he has no chance.

    Either way, his name is mud in this country and for the majority of people who work in the EU. Like Bertie, CJH, Healy-Rae's, Lowry etc. he has his supporters who will back him to the hilt. But like the aforementioned, the majority of ordinary people in this country despise him with a passion.

    His name is mud and always will be here, no matter if he wins any case or not. That's something all his money will never buy back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That was s all irrelevant. The court has found the event was legal. He was harassed and questioned about his attendance at an event which was legal to attend. Political considerations forced him to resign.

    Look up constructive dismissal. His forced resignation fulfills all the criteria. What way a small section of the public fell about it is immaterial. It's what is legal is the reality.

    All the other people who you mentioned were all elected to office. The Healy-Rae have never had a finding against them regarding there actions as politicians in a court or a tribunal similar to Big Phil

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,998 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Big Phil is one of the most narcissistic and self-interested politicians to ever sell out this nation. His removal from the political sphere was a service to the nation and the people he was a great disservice to. We owe him nothing but the contempt he deserves because it is only being returned in kind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,155 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How is telling lies 'irrelevant'? It had nothing to do with the event. He was asked to give an account of his actions in a report. He gave the current (at the time) account of his actions and afterwards it came out he was in Limerick and Clare. Nothing to do with the event at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Even if it could be proved what was there basis to question him about what he was or was not doing. What he was questioned about was an event that has been proved to have been legally ok to take place.

    In an unfair dismissal case it desks only with what happened and was it fair and reasonable. What happened was political considerations were taken into account

    BP will pass go and collect 200 pounds or 2 mllion euro in this case I expect

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,155 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That amount of contravention of the rules would be sufficient.

    People where being penalised for breaking the restrictions. He did too, separate to the golf event.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    All of that is immaterial. This is an unfair dismissal senario. He was forced to resign over attending the event. Other factors came into play because of the questioning of his attendance at a legal event over which there shod have been no right to ask him questions.

    This will all be hushed up and he will get paid the remaining part of what he would have earned if he completed his term

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves



    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,155 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He resigns because his lies made his position untenable, like many many before him. Imagine the precedent him winning will set. He will have to prove 'force'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Again you are letting emotions get in the way of logic.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,155 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What emotion is getting in the way?

    Did he tell lies about his 'against the restriction movements' or not?



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    Simple, he went because he lied. To everyone. Arrogance personified.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,414 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What the hell are you rabbiting on about? You're watching too much Judge Rinder.

    Come back to us when he has his 1,000,000+ compensation 😂

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I despise Phil, but he was dismissed constructively. Mehole Martin and Red Cent Leo played to the twitterati music of the week. Ursula jumped at the chance to boot Phil and hire another woman. He wasn't given fair process and I reckon he will get his compo. McGuinness is just a bit of Philler in the roll.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,121 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Must be his doppelganger.

    He gets his sun in the Algarve.



  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    Tbh, I think "Twitter lighting up" is to blame for "lockdowns" becoming a thing here and the UK in March 2020.



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