The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

na you brought up stardust and mother and baby homes brucie for no real reason apart from tryin some weak deflection

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But the civil war parties aren't interested in victims unless they can use them. Ask the Stardust or mother and baby home victims. Decades trying to be heard."

we were talking about sf trying to re write history to hide its victims and its crimes

Do you understand now ? ?

lol the topic of sfira you mean and its actions ? ya i really went off on a tangent there lol

i dont blame ya ye had a bad day today all in all ,

lies called out fake history debunked an all that 😂😂🤣

That was 'roaring'???

Seriously, what edit did you guys see?

First Mary Lou said Ansbacher before Micheál deflected to the past, now she was 'roaring'? 😁

Which wasn't an answer to the question she asked. She asked about developers blackmailing the government and threatening to sell house to vulture funds if they didn't pony up 400,000 and made the point about corruption.

Answer: what about the 'RA

Have a read of the full debate here:

Micheal Martin is being asked specifically about public housing on public land, and he deflects to his usual bullsh!t generic answer about private housing being needed as well, sidestepping the issue of public land being gifted to developers to charge full market rates, which is what the question was specifically about. That's when the interruptions began, because the answer he was giving was not actually addressing the question he had been asked.

This is a problem with Leaders' Questions going back years, in all honesty. Enda Kenny was as bad when he was Taoiseach. I don't need to remind anyone what it was like when Cowen was in charge.

Would SF be any better if they were in government? Who can say. But nobody can claim there was no justification in opposition TDs getting annoyed - Martin was, as usual, running down the clock without directly answering the question. Much like how in school you could sometimes scrape a decent grade in an essay if you waffled on enough to make it look impressive, but without actually saying much about the topic at hand. That doesn't work with political debates meant for public consumption, unfortunately. The public aren't interested in that kind of bullsh!t anymore.

Get annoyed but if your whole schtick is when you don’t hear what you want to you sit there roaring and shouting and heckling… not very democratic…

Can you point to the time on the video where she is 'roaring'?

Again my edit has her making comments as normal and as anyone who has ever listened to Dáil debates knows, happens all the time. Is the norm in fact.

But facts seem to be thin on the ground here today.

Not getting a straight answer to a straight question during Question Time in the Oireachtas is not merely "not hearing what you want to hear". It's something which is absolutely endemic in Irish politics and which should be taken far, far, far more seriously from a democracy point of view.

Fantasy stuff here. Read the transcript it is there in black and white, he never once addressed the questions raised abut Bartra and Devanny Gardens. He goes on a party political broadcast about the housing plan.

You guys are fooling nobody.

unless your suggesting the gov of the day set the fire at he stardust or killed a load of babies in tuam your analogy is hopelessly failed

we are talking about murders bombings and other crimes committed by members of and protected by a organization who aspire to govern this country

your not on the same page at all, in fact i think you are reading the wrong book

The 'debate' was not about FF's housing plan. It was a question on possible sweet heart deals (corruption) for vulture/cuckoo funds.

Martin answered by waffling about their overall poicy and did not once reference what he was asked about.

Martin brought up SF's past first. McDonald and O'Reilly (foolishly in my view) countered by bringing up FF's past. But at least in their case they brought up issues relevant to the debate at hand, that is FF corruption with specific regard to property developers. Martin, as usual, tried to bring up The Troubles in a debate which bore absolutely no relevance to them.

What Martin said initially was a very, very obvious precursor to launching into a rant about The Troubles, which of course he immediately did. Louise O'Reilly fired back before he could finish, but nobody could possible read this or listen to the recording and conclude that Martin didn't change the subject and refuse to answer the question before SF said anything about FF's past.

The relevant section:

Deputy Mary Lou McDonald: Furthermore, does the Taoiseach believe that the sweetheart tax arrangements with these funds should continue? That is the Government's policy in the here and now, and it is this policy that is causing so much hardship for an entire generation of people that the Government has locked out of homeownership and who endure extortionate rents. This is happening on the Taoiseach's watch. Those, my friend, are the facts.

The Taoiseach: The Deputy used the word "corrupt".

Deputy Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

The Taoiseach: Sinn Féin is the last party to talk to anybody about corruption.

Deputy Louise O'Reilly: The Galway tent.

The Taoiseach: Deputy McDonald's party corrupted public life in this republic for well-----

Deputy Mary Lou McDonald: Ansbacher, Galway.

The Taoiseach: -----on 40 years to a far greater degree than any other party in this country.

Deputy Louise O'Reilly: You are-----

The Taoiseach: It corrupted the moral code of our country and society by the murder and mayhem that it perpetrated, and that it still endorses.

(Interruptions).