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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Though it's worth noting that a very large % of Russians support intervention / expansion.

    Those turning up to protests are a tiny fringe minority.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,815 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    NATO eastward expansion doesn't solve Putin's fundamental problem, that the Ukraine is no longer a Russian province.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    There's 0% chance of that happening. Literally 0%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Black Noel




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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    NATO defence policy doesnt apply if a NATO member instigates though I believe - so any country moving to Ukraine to engage the Russians would not be able to invoke article 5. So NATO troops being attacked in Ukraine does not qualify



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Unless things have changed, didn't Putin state that his military adventure would cease if Ukraine committed to a) remaining neutral and b) giving up weaponry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Thousands are on the streets again in Moscow ,st Petersburg and other Russian Cities ,

    putin can't fight them all



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ireland just got a mention by Sergei Lavrov. Saying imagine if Ireland banned teaching in English.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russian Foreign Minister press conference on BBC now, asking if Ireland banned speaking English how the UK would react. 🤣

    Honestly, as bad as our politicians are, it's a wonder there's any kind of press left. Who could be bothered with the outright lies over and over.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,242 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Hopefully the Ukranians can keep hitting targets within Russia. Do they have the missiles to reach Moscow?



  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    That is a reflection on the Idiot of a President in between who was unknowingly driving Putin's policy goals at zero cost.

    Putin is not a war monger by default. As ex FSB big boss his preferred modus operandii is methods of subterfuge, not direct conflict.

    If Trump were still in Office this war would not be happening and Putin would be extending his influence covertly. Trump would probably be undermining the current Ukranian Government for not delivering him dirt on Biden.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,968 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Yeah a lot of those issues are excuses made up for the camera to hide the main reason of Putin's love of the Soviet Union. It is like Hitler saying he just wants to unite the German speaking people or whatever. It is just something to make it palatable. I agree it should be possible to remove sanctions if Russia backs off. That is always on the table and Russia is already aware of this. Judging by the protests many in Russia seem to get the connection between them invading and them pulling back.



    If you want to block NATO's expansion then you need some guarantee that Russia won't invade its neighbours at which point they are either useless or military (and they are in NATO in all but name). It is also removing some of the sovereignty of those nations as they can not make their own alliances due to an aggressive 3rd party. A better response would be to limit the range of weaponry stationed in those countries but let them in defense agreements. So that Russia can't be attacked too directly but also are aware that there are consequences for attacking its neighbours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Russian propaganda already using the term "terrorists", as it invades the country. Any resistance will be referred to as terrorists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I was watching a show going over history of Ukraine and kiev. It’s weird hearing the foreign minister of Russia talk about the Ukrainians trying to ban Russian and some sort of genocide. That’s exactly what the Russians did back in the day.


    They starved the people there and shipped in Russians to repopulate the area. Mad that, he doesn’t seem to remember that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    That was hyperbole more than anything else, but the point I was making was what are they holding sanctions back for? Any further escalation would be way past something that sanctions alone could stop



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Russia has probably pushed more countries toward NATO after this. I can see Finland giving the NATO freephone number a call any day now



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Just wondering now , does the EU have to consider ramping up spend on an army?


    can’t really rely on the USA



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,396 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    BBC report on possible plan of attack...

    A source in Ukrainian counter-intelligence has told Ukrainska Pravda website details of Russia's plan to take control of the city to take control of the country. It's all unconfirmed but this is what they report Russia wants to do:

    • Seize a major Kyiv airport and air traffic control to allow 10,000 troops to land, distracting the military with attacks on the border
    • Sabotage Kyiv's electricity and communications to cause panic
    • Provoke an exodus of refugees to prevent Ukrainian armed forces moving around
    • Seize government buildings including cabinet and parliament and capture the state leadership, forcing them to sign an agreement on Russian terms
    • Bring in pro-Russian leaders and split Ukraine into two parts, like East and West Germany


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,968 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Putin also said that this is about removing a Nazi from power. Forgive us if we don't take him at his word. He has to at least vaguely claim some reason for invading outside of we want their land.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    Love the planted question there from the Chinese for Lavrov who they couldn’t get on air, but conveniently had the question in writing.

    Unbelievable the shite they are saying the past few days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Black Noel


    Yes, politicians are easily bought.

    Yes they fear Russia but inviting the US to Russia doorstep was never going to be pretty. They poked the bear way more than once too often.

    The US are going to be the only winners out of this and they can just sit back and laugh.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see the Russian foreign minister Moscow there just said in off the cuff illustration “What if Ireland forbid use of English language what are you going to do?” And then continued to talk about neonazism. (At about 10:25am during speech)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Sergei Lavrov-What if Ireland forbid use of English language what are you going to do-basically compares Ireland to Ukraine-if in Ireland they forbade English language after independance, what are GB going to do? obviously denazifiy us?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Ah come on, are you that naive? What do you expect the world to do? Send troops? That will just trigger a bigger response from Russia and makes things worse with even more casualties. Also, for anyone who has read the updated Russian doctrine on the when nuclear weapons are justified from a few years ago will now, that bar is lower than people think - they can even use it against conventional warfare.

    The west is doing the next best thing. Sending supplies to Ukraine and crippling the Russian economy. We are opening our doors for refugees.

    A modern war can't be compared with WW2 or WW1 - now that nations are armed with nuclear weapons the balance of power is skewed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,242 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Making no sense. Waffling on and going around in circles. A scumbag of the highest order.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    But makes some sense in contrast to the drivel of film stars doing Imagine in the early days of COVID!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As i understand,both Sweden and Finland have a free ticket to join NATO,meaning one phonecall and a signature would be enough within hours to join if needed.

    Both countries have one foot in NATO allready anyway.

    And the nordic countries also have their own defence alliance



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭titan18




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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    And what would have been the alternative? A direct confrontation would broaden the theatre of war and you'd be claiming we were failing a whole lot more countries.



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