Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Field east · 25-02-2022 12:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118689977#Comment_118689977

Except you are assuming that there will not be one person / a small tight nit group - amongst this very increased population - that would be ‘mad enough’ to take Putin out with just one bullet. I am sure that Ireland is ont the only country with psychopaths or equivalent. Also think about what happened to the likes of Chescheu and family - a strong leader during his heyday but ended up being put up against the wall and shot

one change most times creates another change or raft of changes

josip · 25-02-2022 12:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690337#Comment_118690337

And Albania was only aligned with it until 1961.

Podge_irl · 25-02-2022 12:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690143#Comment_118690143

The Baltic states are not going to leave NATO and its utter fantasy to think its a remotely plausible outcome. They would rather be invaded while protected by Article 5

lulublue22 · 25-02-2022 12:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690387#Comment_118690387

I think Moldova is definitely an option for Putin - not a NATO member , west leaning leadership , separatist russian leaning area. Given his pretext for recognising the DNR and LNR as republics I’m sure a similar stance could be taken for transnistria.

awec · 25-02-2022 12:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690473#Comment_118690473

It was also an amusing notion that the EU would allow Russian troops and Russian bases to be based within it's own borders.

Loafing Oaf · 25-02-2022 12:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690295#Comment_118690295

Clearly the former USSR states who haven't managed to join either NATO or the EU are going to have to come up with some kind of strategy to protect themselves as best they can

AFAICS the only other one to the west (apart from Belarus which is already in Putin's pocket) that isn't already in NATO is Moldova.

Maybe his next target?

timmymagoo · 25-02-2022 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690473#Comment_118690473

Ukraine were promised protection if they gave up their nukes - that worked out well for them

if the Baltic states are invaded, do you naively believe that France and Germany would go to war with Russia

do you think the American public will want American troops on the ground?

why would Putin invade Ukraine, what’s the end game?

we have been told for years by experts on the subject he wants to rebuild Russias old borders, so this is just the beginning.

how do you suggest we stop him?

there is only one way, Western Europe including Ireland be prepared to go to war

only other choice is let him have what he wants

Drumpot · 25-02-2022 12:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690526#Comment_118690526

Can anybody really say anything with certainty right now ?

I don't find any of this amusing, nor do I pretend to know the limits of Putins ambitions. What exactly has the EU done that would make you think they would "not allow Russian troops and Russian bases to be based within its borders"? Do we have a hidden army if Putin goes full on dictator ? I suppose you have to presume Putin has limits and wont lose his marbles with power. Don't know the guy personally, but he seems pretty emboldened at the moment.

25-02-2022 12:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118689656#Comment_118689656

Keep trolling faceman- it’s a small gesture but what else can ordinary citizens do.

You seem to have a somewhat close sensitivity as to how Russians think- a whole generation has grown up since the fall of the Iron Curtain. While Russia is still repressed, it would be more so now and more isolated from the world.

do you not think that the new generation, having grown up in a “freer” sort of state, would resent what’s happening now? I think one of Putins biggest fears is westernisation of the young in Russia and all the “values” that come with that- but has it already happened?

If Putin was assassinated, would Russia be jubilant or in mourning?

josip · 25-02-2022 1:01pm

Does this look like the Ukrainians hit a Russian aircraft?

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60521068

Is there a more appropriate thread for this question?

Sam Russell · 25-02-2022 1:05pm

Just a point about Crimea.

Crimea was always Russian, until Khrushchev, born Ukrainian, gifted Crimea to the Ukraine, but kept the Black Sea bases there.

Also, consider what happened to Anwar Sadat in Egypt, who was assonated by his own Praetorian Guard.

Could it happen to Putin? Hit his entourage hard enough and maybe. I am sure that there are ways that can be put in place to seriously undermine their current comfort, and wealth.

breezy1985 · 25-02-2022 1:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690622#Comment_118690622

Who promised them protection ?

Brussels Sprout · 25-02-2022 1:07pm

if the Baltic states are invaded, do you naively believe that France and Germany would go to war with Russia

Yes. Yes, I do.

It's because if those smaller NATO members are not safe then nobody in NATO is safe. They really are as strong as their weakest member.

If we learned anything about Hitler it's that he didn't stop when he was appeased (Austria & Sudentenland). Eventually he got to the point when there had to be a reaction (Poland).

That is why Biden has stated that they will defend all of their NATO members.

breezy1985 · 25-02-2022 1:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690596#Comment_118690596

He is still on this target so best see how it pans out. This could keep him bogged down for a long time.

Gusser09 · 25-02-2022 1:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690713#Comment_118690713

Biden is playing a dangerous game there by guaranteeing that. He is hoping Putin won't be unhinged enough to go further than the Ukraine. I'd hedge bets that if Putin decides to test the water and invade a smaller NATO member then the yanks will do nothing. Bidens bluff will be called. agreements and treaties mean nothing anymore. The yanks have no appetite for another conflict.

Podge_irl · 25-02-2022 1:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690622#Comment_118690622

They would be at war within hours yes. Not least because there are already NATO troops in the Baltics.

Also Ukraine never had actual functioning nukes, as command and control of them remained in Moscow. Not remotely sure of the relevance of that anyway though. Western countries have never guaranteed Ukraine's safety, the same is not true for the Baltics.

breezy1985 · 25-02-2022 1:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690736#Comment_118690736

Biden is not playing any game or guaranteeing anything. Do you actually understand how things work in the slightest. It's not Bidens bluff.

It's a NATO agreement and it's the whole point of NATO. All of NATO not just the US and Biden have to jump in it's not even in question.

lulublue22 · 25-02-2022 1:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690680#Comment_118690680

It is being reported that it is , it was also reported that Ukraine managed to hit an airfield inside the Russian border. Are the reports true / factual ? All I can say is that Sky News was at pains to say ( all day yesterday) either sources unverified ( we are trying hard to verify this ) or we have verified this when showing / reporting any strikes. If BBC are reporting it I would lean towards it being verified though mistakes easily happen. I follow a lot of OSINT sources on twitter as well as Ukrainian journalists and foreign journalists currently in Ukraine. Obviously all coverage has bias but they try as far as possible to verify before twitting. Also need to factor in situation is extremely fluid - all night last night a number of the above a/c’s were twitting re airport ( near Kyiv - needed for Russian paratroopers to land ) being held by Ukraine - lost by Ukraine - held by Ukraine etc . It seems it changed hands several times - testament to the determination of those fighting on the ground.

breezy1985 · 25-02-2022 1:28pm

BBCs Ukraine correspondent comes to work to find her own apartment is the main topic in the news today.

https://twitter.com/KarinBBC/status/1497162333289914368

Gusser09 · 25-02-2022 1:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690760#Comment_118690760

Biden won't get involved on potentially starting WW3 if Putin invades one of the smaller NATO countries. It won't happen. Putin needs to stopped and the place to do that was on the border of the Donbas region and Ukraine. Forget about NATO. Putin shouldn't be allowed to terrorize an independent sovereign nation on the European continent.

lulublue22 · 25-02-2022 1:32pm

Mayor of Kyiv - The city has entered a defensive stage - Zelensky calls on Ukrainian troops to hold firm and asks any European with military experience to join the fight. Dark days for Ukraine.

Zelensky is staying put despite credible threats against his life. American Intell says his name is on a kill list.

One Ukrainian journalist I’ve been following obviously responding to Ukrainian defence call to make molotov cocktails - they twitted instructions how to make them too.

https://twitter.com/iaponomarenko/status/1497177195609010179?s=21

Sad sad state of affairs.

XsApollo · 25-02-2022 1:33pm

redt0m · 25-02-2022 1:34pm

Don't understand this 'NATO's expanding east' bullshit if Russia already has borders with NATO countries. Is Ukraine the only country Putin would see as a 'threat' if they joined NATO?

breezy1985 · 25-02-2022 1:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690836#Comment_118690836

Firstly your talking nonsense about NATO. Utter blls that belongs over on CA with the other loopers.

And secondly why is it only when Putin invades a European country that a line needs to be drawn.

breezy1985 · 25-02-2022 1:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690856#Comment_118690856

Wasn't ready or powerful enough when the others joined the US and the EU were in a better position than Russia to soak them up and got there first.

Also Ukraine is absolutely massive compared to the Baltics. About 4x the population of all the Baltics combined. Ukraine would be a major power in their own right if they were not next door to Russia

Podge_irl · 25-02-2022 1:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690836#Comment_118690836

Biden wouldn't be starting WW3, Putin would.

This is akin to people who thought the EU wouldn't hold firm in Brexit negotiations "just for Ireland". It is a fundamental misunderstanding of how international bodies and associations work. If NATO didn't intervene to aid the Balkans, NATO would cease to exist.

selectamatic · 25-02-2022 1:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690779#Comment_118690779

Striking similarities between this and the whole “will the EU really stand by Ireland?” over brexit posts that bombarded comment sections and message boards over the last couple of years.

Throw one member under the “bus” and the whole thing falls apart.

As posted already by @Brussels Sprout; Blocs are are only as strong as their smallest members.

Headshot · 25-02-2022 1:53pm

Absolute gutless sanctions by Europe

No ban on Gas and no ban on Swift

The EU have a lot to answer for and it's shameful

Brussels Sprout · 25-02-2022 1:55pm

Local Reporter in Kiev:

jmreire · 25-02-2022 2:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118690959#Comment_118690959

Just how do you think that the drop in the value of the Ruble is going to hit the majority of Russians? and they know very well why it fast losing value??? Imagine if the price of a ltr of fuel hit €5??? Not to mention food prices going through the roof? If anything will force Putin to change, it will come from when his own people's fury reaches critical mass, even against his police...who at point may well join the protests. Remember what happened Milosevic in Belgrade, even with the police and military surrounding the City.?

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