How can we integrate Unionism into a possible United Ireland?

It is a common misconception that Union Jack is the wrong term to use, it is a perfectly acceptable term to use. Essentially the snotty nosed, 'it's the Union flag, not the Union Jack' is pure psuedointellectual, up it's own hole nonsense.

As I said Francie, perhaps I misread the tone, but it came across as smug rather than witty to me. I'll put my hands up if the poster clarifies, but as you've said yourself, I call out that kind of pedantry whenever I see it whether the person making the comment is on my side of the debate or the opposite. I think it lessens the conversation, particularly when the smug pedantry is quite wrong.

Is there a point in that list I am missing Freddie?

Other than flag change happens all the time, I am not seeing anything relevant to the current conversation.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Not arguing one way or the other. As I said, what the UK do or don't do about the Union Jack is up to them. Not going to interfere in their decisions.

misconception? its a fact that on land its called the union flag and on a warship at sea its called the union jack.

Nope, Union Jack is a perfectly acceptable term to use regardless of where it is flown.

https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/uk-flags/the-union-jack-or-the-union-flag/

Not that it is particularly important, I just didn't like the smug correction the other poster lobbed in.....if you're going to be that patronising, at least make sure you're right type of thing.

Just in Ireland? Or are you suggesting Ireland extends beyond the 26 counties?

Obviously I am referring to Ireland the place and not the state.

The flag was supposedly represent all the people of Ireland and was first coined in 1848, 70 years before the state existed.

Personally the flag means little to me. I do hope they change if there is a UI. The meaning behind it is sectarian in a away. I would favour a more unified flag or one without a political meaning behind it.

Wales has a dragon on theirs . How about we put an Irish setter on ours with a white background. They're a smart looking dog and native to Ireland and nearly everyone likes dogs.

It’s just that you referred to it being the flag of the Irish nation on the island. If you mean the 32 counties of the island, then that is very arrogant to say the least. would you be comfortable if the British isles was referred to as the British nation?

I know I am risking being disciplined by daring to utter those words. I have been in the recent past but I’ll take that risk.

if posters like you can refer at will to the 32 counties as Ireland or the Irish nation and I can’t refer to the two islands as the British isles then I will once again need to take my punishment and bow out of a thread.

the irony is that you firmly believe that the 32 counties form the Irish nation while I accept and respect Ireland and would never refer to it in seriousness as the British isles - its simply a bit of whataboutery to try and help you grasp how offensive and arrogant you are being. I often have to pinch myself that few on this forum get the hypocrisy of it.

We have been through this numerous times.

''A nation is a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory''

A nation refers to people. The Irish nation come from Ireland. The patron saint of the irish is St Patrick etc. The language is Irish. The area they occupy is Ireland. The Irish nation before and after partition come from Ireland. This is excepted by everyone throughout the world apart from some people in the north who have obviously been effected by sectarianism.

The UK is a nation of nations. You live within the Irish nation that is part of the the British nation of the UK. This is why when you go to Britain you get called a paddy etc. I don't think you can say the British nation covers all of the British isles now. The fact is no person born in the south calls themselves British nor do people from the British nation refer to people from the south as British. The British nation does not extend to the south now. If the south was to be included in the British nation as it was once in the UK then the British nation would cover a much larger area as you would have to included all commonwealth and former British colonies in this nation?

It has been countenanced on here, with a number of posters previously proposing voluntary resettlement arrangements for unionists in an a united Ireland situation.

The problem with that is that it wouldn't take much on the ground for the voluntary to become involuntary.

You never did come up with how you would propose to help those who say they 'could not live in a UI'. Specifically those who, unlike Arlene Foster (who has said she will leave) do not have the means to move.

I understand your need to mis-represent, but there will be those who will want to leave, however a UI is constructed. Will you abandon them to their fate as was done at partition or help?

If you are referring to me. I said The Irish nation come from Ireland or put it a similar way Irish people come from Ireland. Of course if they move away from Ireland they will still be Irish. There is people all over the world that call themselves Irish or being part of the Irish nation. But they will have one thing in common, either they or their ancestors come from Ireland.

This discussion started when talking about the tricolor, the flag was coined to represent the Irish nation or Irish people in Ireland. I mistakenly thought the flag was coined to represent the state but was coined 70 years before Ireland was partitioned and was meant to represent all Irish people. Green being the catholics and orange protestants. White the peace between them

So Irish people don't occupy Ireland???show me a post where I said NI is not part of the UK.